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    or smell the bacon... mmmm... bacon.

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      Speaking of bacon, try being a fat person in a grocery store, with a cart full of meat, eggs (LOTS of eggs), coconut oil, etc. and see if you don't get some dirty looks. :\ If i told any of those people i thought this stuff might really *help* me lose weight, they'd think i was insane.

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        I used to travel quite often for business and I really do feel for larger (not just fat) people who simply do not fit in the sardine cans that pass as airplane seats. I also understand that running an airline is a business, one that hasn't been very profitable lately. I was sitting next to a big and tall man who bought 2 seats but because of his height, the man sitting in front of him couldn't put his seat back. He started trying to force it as the man next to me winced in pain, and he didn't seem to care. Finally I just offered to switch seats with him and he accepted. I wasn't able to put my seat back but it was a small price to pay.

        I've also sat next to big muscular men whose bottom may fit fine in the seat but their shoulders certainly didn't. Because the flight was full I had no choice but to sit at an angle the whole flight which did wonders for my back.

        I'm not sure what the answer is, maybe seat assignments should be more flexible so flight attendants can put a small person next to a big person. Passengers can also take a stand and offer to switch seats if you see someone who is obviously not comfortable. I do think that if a flight is not full, then nobody should be charged extra though.

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          I'm more and more discouraged by this thread too. I'm a Southpark fan and various responses are reminding me a lot of the "Smug Alert!" episode. Next thing you know, normal sized people are going to start writing citations to all the "irresponsible" fat people that dare to cross their paths.


          There's definitely a dehumanization that takes place in society regarding fat people (same with race, sexual orientation, sometimes gender, etc). The point is, we are human and just as deserving of respect and dignity as the next person. The devaluing of people, for any reason, is my issue here. Fat people are not less worthy of respect and dignity, no matter the reasons for their weight.


          On a side, the Southpark Smug Alert! episode is hilarious and definitely recommended.

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            @Hippie-Mama, that's funny. I was in the store last night, and I was the only one in line without gobs of bread in my basket!

            Start weight: 250 - 06/2009
            Current weight: 199
            Goal: 145

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              @Kay, interestingly enough, last night while waiting for my yoga class to start I wandered into Safeway to take a look around. Apparently full-fat yoghurt does not exist anymore. Nor does whole milk. They have about 30 brands of margarine and "spreadable butter with HEART-HEALTHY canola oil" and on the bottom shelf was two brands of plain butter. TWO. I couldn't find whole milk cheese either. It was all, "reduced fat" or "part-skim" cheese. Organic eggs don't exist either. When I read the labels on a few things, the first ingredient: sugar.


              @hippie_mama, lol I get those too. I was at the co-op on Monday, and they had marrow bones, oxtail, bulk bacon and pastured eggs on sale. I bought three dozen eggs, 2lbs bacon (mmm, baconwrapped asparagus with radish-garlic butter) and three bones. The clerk sort of blinked at my choices and stared at me for a while. The guy behind me in line with a cart full of vegetables and beans was giving me that look, you know the one: "THIS IS WHY YOU'RE FAT".


              @neidermeyer, I have that problem on the bus. My hips and sides fit into the seat just fine, my fat comes out from my belly and chest, not from the side, but I have very broad shoulders and they stick out to the side. No matter how fat or not fat I am, that's still going to be there.

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                "But! But! Some of my best friends are fat people!"


                Oy vey.


                Can we just eliminate the "but some of my best friends are____!" excuse/disclaimer/qualifier/whatever, from the English language?


                Drives me crazy.

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                  That's the look i'm talking about. If only people could see how ugly they look while they're doing it... he he he.

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                    @hippie_mama & @paleo_piper But those same people wouldn't even blink if you had a cart full of cereal, bread, low-fat or fat-free over-processed crap, and bags of chips. Because that is what is in their cart, more or less. No one wants to think that what they are eating, not how much, is what makes you gain weight.

                    Ism's in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me."--Ferris Bueller, 1986
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                      I was thinking about something else today that I believe is relevant to this topic.


                      Most of us are here on MDA because the primal blueprint has given us the ability to change *some* aspect of our life for the better.


                      I've never struggled with obesity. I'm 5'5 and the most I ever weighed was about 150lbs (In case you're wondering, I'm about 135lbs now, but with a heck of a lot more muscle than I've ever had in my life). Most of the points that I could make about CW and obesity in America (and elsewhere) have already been made.


                      However, I had terrible acne throughout my teenage years, which, in retrospect, I believe was due largely to eating junk. This wasn't just the normal acne that teens get due to hormonal changes, it lasted pretty much from when I was 11-12 until I was about 19-20. Coincidentally, the summer I turned 19 (2007) was when I went low-carb/cut out sugar, and the year after that (2008-2009 school year) was when I really started getting more primal. And guess what, that's when my acne really started to clear up, and is pretty much gone at this point.


                      Still, as an issue of physical appearance that was pretty damaging to my self-esteem, I'd like to think that having dealt with that gives me the experience and ability to sympathize with what people who struggle with obesity feel.

                      Subduction leads to orogeny

                      My blog that I don't update as often as I should: http://primalclimber.blogspot.com/

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                        Wow... what a thread... what else can I add except that mean people suck and they don't seem to change easily.

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                          I got a few funny looks at the Co-Op today when I bought 3 dozen eggs, a chicken, salmon, and beef ribs. My veggies came from the CSA yesterday, so I didn't need to buy any at the co-op, but I could tell the "this is why you're fat" looks from those in line behind me.

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