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  • #91
    There was a time when I went through two of the "big stressors" at the same time, and the worry that kept me awake was literally making me a frazzled mess. After six weeks of almost no sleep, and never feeling like I was okay, I broke down and saw my doc. He prescribed 50 mg of trazodone. The pills are scored for easy cutting in half. At that time I took a half every night.

    That was about three years ago. Now I just keep the bottle on my nighttable. I think I take about half a pill maybe 2-3x per month. No grogginess, no nightmares, no sleep eating. It just gets you to sleep, it doesn't keep you asleep. It's primary use is for anxiety, but a secondary use is for sleeping. I kind of know when I'm going to need one; it's that exhausted feeling where everything else in my body is screaming for sleep, but my brain refuses to shut down.

    I know Rx isn't for everyone, but sometimes you just need to break a cycle.

    I like the idea of the Buddhist monks teaching themselves to sleep when they weren't tired so they'd never be tired. That's such a Zen approach that it makes me smile.
    "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

    B*tch-lite

    Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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    • #92
      Hi all,

      As a newbie here I am just coming across a few of the ongoing posts. I wanted to let you know that I feel all your pain, anxiety and frustration about not sleeping. I am another person who has a VERY hard time getting and staying asleep. The only time I have to do my training is in the evening which can make going to sleep difficult, plus I have Restless Leg Syndrome so some nights my legs keep me up even if I am dead tired.

      I met a person who has neuropathy and he swore by this stuff called Resurrect, so I bought some. Knocked me out cold. It's made by a supplement company called Fahrenheit (look it up to see if it contains anything you are uncomfortable taking). Just a warning, I took a HALF a dose and woke up the next morning with a hangover-like feeling that lasted most of the day.

      Now I take just a small amount (barely enough covers the bottom of a small scoop) and it is much better. I have to say that I still wake up during the night (mostly my age - I'm 48) but going back to sleep is soooo easy. Another warning - it is expensive. I bought a small tub for almost $30, but at the rate I use it, it should last a very long time. I really hope this helps others, it sure made my life a little easier. I don't use it every night, but after 1-2 nights of not sleeping, I will use just the little I mention above. Morning coffee will get rid of any residual sluggish feeling (very minor).

      Best to you.
      ***Project Under Construction***

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      • #93
        I have been an insomniac all of my life. Even as a young child I remember laying in bed night after night, trying to occupy my mind to starve off the crazies. It has stayed with me my whole life and I will probably have to deal with it forever. I'm lucky if I sleep 3 hours a night, if I sleep at all. I get an average of about 20-25 hours sleep in a week, sometimes a little more, sometimes less. Over the years I'v developed strategies to deal with the problems that sleep deprivation cause, but still sleep disorders are really a problem for me.

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        • #94
          Siiigh, still having problems with the sleep thing. Yep, my age, partly (70), but good grief! I get off the computer usually by 7. We got the dimming program for our monitors so we don't get the blue light after sundown, in any case. I take melatonin and calcium and valerian, and drink a cup of Sleepytime Extra tea. I GO right to sleep (ok, after 20 minutes or so), but all too often wake up multiple times after 2 or so with a dry mouth. Take a sip, back to sleep, wake up, take a sip...meh!

          I even tried a small spoon of coconut oil in the evening, said to help. But...
          Best--
          Kate

          Still Craving Pterodactyl--my Primal Blueprint blog

          70 is the new 50--without the hot flashes!

          Goals: Feel good, be stronger, and hopefully kick that arthritis in the backside! Oh, yeah, and losing more weight would be okay, too.

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          • #95
            Kate - have you tried magnesium ?????
            "never let the truth get in the way of a good story "

            ...small steps....

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            • #96
              Not as a separate supplement, no...it's in my multi, but I take that earlier in the day. Thanks for the suggestion!
              Best--
              Kate

              Still Craving Pterodactyl--my Primal Blueprint blog

              70 is the new 50--without the hot flashes!

              Goals: Feel good, be stronger, and hopefully kick that arthritis in the backside! Oh, yeah, and losing more weight would be okay, too.

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              • #97
                I take mine at night Kate, and I also read until I can't keep my eyes open. I figure that I can get to sleep initially, so by the time the magnesium takes hold, it will keep me asleep for a wee bit longer. I sometimes still get up in the night, but when I have my mag I seem to get back to sleep alot easier. I didn't like taking the melatonin stuff - full of sugar
                anyway good luck and keep us posted on your progress
                G x
                "never let the truth get in the way of a good story "

                ...small steps....

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                • #98
                  Kate, two questions:
                  -Are you sure you are hydrating enough during the day?
                  -Are you congested/do you sleep with your mouth open?
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                  • #99
                    [QUOTE=NZ primal Gwamma;1097009]I take mine at night Kate, and I also read until I can't keep my eyes open. I figure that I can get to sleep initially, so by the time the magnesium takes hold, it will keep me asleep for a wee bit longer. I sometimes still get up in the night, but when I have my mag I seem to get back to sleep alot easier. I didn't like taking the melatonin stuff - full of sugar]

                    Thanks, I read till I'm sleepy, too. I'll add the magnesium to the "I'll try that" list! Melatonin's full of sugar?!?
                    Best--
                    Kate

                    Still Craving Pterodactyl--my Primal Blueprint blog

                    70 is the new 50--without the hot flashes!

                    Goals: Feel good, be stronger, and hopefully kick that arthritis in the backside! Oh, yeah, and losing more weight would be okay, too.

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                    • Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
                      Kate, two questions:
                      -Are you sure you are hydrating enough during the day?
                      -Are you congested/do you sleep with your mouth open?
                      Hi nameless...I think I drink enough. I like water, I drink coffee (before noon only) and herbal tea, so maybe that's not it?

                      Second question, I have very small nasal passages, so yes, I often wake with my silly mouth open. I keep threatening to tie my jaw shut like Jacob Marley in A Christmas Carol! I find that if I take a Benadryl when I wake up I usually sleep through better, but BOY do I hate to habitually take pills. That and the fact that I'm allergic to nuts, for which I carry Benadryl...I'd really hate for it to not work from overuse if I inadvertently got into something with nuts!
                      Best--
                      Kate

                      Still Craving Pterodactyl--my Primal Blueprint blog

                      70 is the new 50--without the hot flashes!

                      Goals: Feel good, be stronger, and hopefully kick that arthritis in the backside! Oh, yeah, and losing more weight would be okay, too.

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                      • oh the melatonin drink that I was taking was full of sugar. Yours may not be
                        "never let the truth get in the way of a good story "

                        ...small steps....

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                        • Originally posted by Kate Ruckman View Post
                          Second question, I have very small nasal passages, so yes, I often wake with my silly mouth open. I keep threatening to tie my jaw shut like Jacob Marley in A Christmas Carol! I find that if I take a Benadryl when I wake up I usually sleep through better, but BOY do I hate to habitually take pills. That and the fact that I'm allergic to nuts, for which I carry Benadryl...I'd really hate for it to not work from overuse if I inadvertently got into something with nuts!
                          I wonder if you would find a neti pot beneficial. I have been using one this winter (in the morning, but you'd probably want to try it in the evening, at least an hour before bed) to keep my nose clear & hydrated as I am prone to picking & nose bleeds! If your nose is as clear as possible, perhaps that would help to keep your mouth closed & keep you from waking. It takes a bit of getting used to, to irrigate your nose, but once you get it, it really works well.
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                          • I'm trying hypnotherapy.

                            Not working so far

                            Love your new hair NamelessWonder!
                            "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                            In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                            - Ray Peat

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                            • Originally posted by NZ primal Gwamma View Post
                              oh the melatonin drink that I was taking was full of sugar. Yours may not be
                              Oh, no, we take tablets. Even if there WAS sugar, not room for very much. :-D
                              Best--
                              Kate

                              Still Craving Pterodactyl--my Primal Blueprint blog

                              70 is the new 50--without the hot flashes!

                              Goals: Feel good, be stronger, and hopefully kick that arthritis in the backside! Oh, yeah, and losing more weight would be okay, too.

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                              • ok, sorry I didn't read all the responses. But I have always been a horrible sleeper. Both falling and staying and then falling back to sleep. I am finally sleeping through the night. It is most likely the most recent change in my diet but could be one of a couple of other things or the combo so I will list the steps that probably contributed, in no particular order....

                                -I wear an oral device-for sleep apnea-Horbst, essentially a retainer.
                                -I take 3,000iu of D3 in the morning
                                -I take 100mg (are those the right units? I am at work so can't check) 5htp with dinner
                                -I follow the same bed time routine every night
                                -I listen to a sleep meditation (flat headphones in headband)
                                -I have a fan for white noise
                                -I go to bed and wake up at the same time every night
                                -the new diet is a LCHF and that is truly the one that made me start getting longer stretches of sleep and making it all night now. ( I use a fitbit to monitor my sleep and have for about a year).

                                I drink caffeine, a pretty respectable amount too, up until about 3pm (I am in bed by 9:15 wake up at 5:30)

                                Good Luck!
                                Chris
                                "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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                                My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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