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  • #16
    Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
    It is normal for a large weight loss to be accompanied by an extended hair shed. I knew a woman with very long hair who lost over 100 pounds on weight watchers and ended up with shoulder-length hair.
    This. As Choco is fond of pointing out, it's not about the carbs it's about the calories.

    Also, Choco, "carb phobia" and "carbohydrate nazism"? Again? Really? Boy you like that hobby horse.

    As J Stanton put it recently in a blog post:
    "For example, we have the ongoing Potato Wars: some people (often the young, male, and/or athletic) radically improve their performance and mood by increasing their starch intake, while others (often older and/or female) find that there’s no such thing as a “safe starch”.

    While I personally consume an approximately Perfect Health Diet level of starch, and I view their recommendations as an excellent baseline for beginning your own experimentation, I’m also an athletic male who has never been fat—so I don’t feel the need to evangelize my own potato consumption to those with a radically different hormonal environment.

    Frankly, I find the religious fervor somewhat disturbing—and I can’t resist the observation that (with the exception of Paul Jaminet, whose sense of humor still slays me every time) the most vocal proponents of high starch intake tend to be somewhat…starchy. Lighten up! There’s no Low Carb Mafia enforcer waiting to assassinate you, and the Low Carb Boogeyman isn’t going to pop out from under your bed and force-feed you with butter until the Ketostix turn purple." (full post :GNOLLS.ORG - Home of J. Stanton and The Gnoll Credo)

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    • #17
      Topical caffeine(mix coffee with water and alcohol), copper peptides, apple polyphenols, and cytomel. Eating a balanced diet with plenty of carbs helps too.
      Make America Great Again

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      • #18
        I started losing hair after going low carb.

        My body seems sensitive to changes, especially my hormones (so hair too), and I think going from super high carb, Pasta, rice, bread postoes, to lots of fat (81%), meat and just a few carbs from fruits...was a shock to my body.

        I did not even know I was eating low carb really...but my thyroid also started acting up again and my liver enzymes were very elevated, I was tired, had acne and PMS and shed a lot of hair. I increased my carbs to 150-180g a day, and all of my problems subsided or at least bettered.

        I am still losing more hair than normal, probably 60* strands a day instead of 20, but at least I am not going bald and have some more time to sort things out.

        I agree with choco taco, that hormonal imbalances are the main cause for hair problems. Since January, I have been taking supplements to get my hormones sorted out, whith much success.
        Even before switching back to more carbs, they greatly reduced my acne, my PMS was almost gone after one month, and I shed less hair. I am taking burdock root (cleanses the blood), milk thistle (detoxes the liver), vitex (for pituitary gland) and DIM , diindolylmethane to remove bad estrogens and raise progesterone in turn.
        I have also been reading a lot of good things about Calcium D Glucarate. Last but not least, I am sure to supplement with vitamin D (5000IU) and iron, since I am unable to absorb enough from diet (or sun Vit D).

        *there have been a lot of new studies saying one should not lose more than 60 hairs a day. Personally, I believe that is even a bit high but I agree that one will not go bald losing 60 hairs a day. I think shedding around 20-40 would really be ideal though.
        I see too many people with unexplained strong taper (thinning down the lengths) in long hair, and trouble growing hair long because of it, and I just don't think it should be the norm (I'm in hair care, not a stylist though).
        Currently eating strict Paleo, no rice or potatoes. I want to increase carbs and make sure my ratio of carbs, protein and fat is right for me.
        30, 5'5" and 108 lbs (formerly 100 lbs)
        I don't work out but I chase and nurse a toddler all day

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        • #19
          Hey... I'm going to pitch in with calories re: weight loss.
          Also watch your iron and vitamin B... get tested for anemia.
          Hormonal issues play a definite role in hair loss, however being primal has done nothing but improve my hormonal state... it took a bit of time to even out though.


          I've been LFHC for 9months or so (I was high carb Primal previously) and every time I see my hair stylist for the past 6 months or so she remarks on how shockingly fast my hair grows (I have to schedule my color sessions sooner than most people due to faster growth), and that my hair "seems to be getting thicker and thicker with every appointment" (she just said that last Saturday).

          Yep. I'm low carb and my hair isn't falling out.
          I also have a medical condition that I have to take a medication for, and have to get my C02 tested every couple of months... it's never low which another thing often part of HFLC fear mongering.

          It's fast weight loss from too low caloric intake that some people experience(and too low caloric intake in general), and even try for, that IMO causes the problems that people ascribe to eating HFLC, not HFLC itself that causes the problems.
          “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
          ~Friedrich Nietzsche
          And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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          • #20
            I highly recommend carb cycling/carb re-feeds for people who have problems with excessive hair shedding, but prefer to eat VLC diet.

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            • #21
              That's a possibility with me...
              I'm not a carb nazi at all.

              There are carby foods that I enjoy and I treat myself every week or two.
              Not really scheduled re-feeds, nor BIG re-feeds... just more carb than normal days that shake things up a bit.
              I'm all about living a relaxed and happy life, I just need to be VLC most of the time.
              “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
              ~Friedrich Nietzsche
              And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Mireia View Post
                I started losing hair after going low carb.

                My body seems sensitive to changes, especially my hormones (so hair too), and I think going from super high carb, Pasta, rice, bread postoes, to lots of fat (81%), meat and just a few carbs from fruits...was a shock to my body.

                I did not even know I was eating low carb really...but my thyroid also started acting up again and my liver enzymes were very elevated, I was tired, had acne and PMS and shed a lot of hair. I increased my carbs to 150-180g a day, and all of my problems subsided or at least bettered.
                That is a remarkably high fat content considering you didn't even seem to be aware you were restricting yourself severely. In fact, you went from one extreme diet to a different one. I'm not surprised you had issues. But then, nor do I think your experience can be generalized.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                  That is a remarkably high fat content considering you didn't even seem to be aware you were restricting yourself severely. In fact, you went from one extreme diet to a different one. I'm not surprised you had issues. But then, nor do I think your experience can be generalized.
                  I had replaced my carbs with fat, because I was trying to gain weight.

                  Carbs seem to matter for many people. I think depending on our pre existing conditions, some do better LC, and some better eith more carbs. It seems some bodies would need a lot of time and healing to be able to thrive on LC. So while I believe it has benefits, I would not readily recommend it to anyone anymore. If I were to reduce carbs again, I would do say VERY gradually.
                  Currently eating strict Paleo, no rice or potatoes. I want to increase carbs and make sure my ratio of carbs, protein and fat is right for me.
                  30, 5'5" and 108 lbs (formerly 100 lbs)
                  I don't work out but I chase and nurse a toddler all day

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Mireia View Post
                    I had replaced my carbs with fat, because I was trying to gain weight.
                    There seems to be a pattern developing of those who do really poorly on VLC being people who are already quite lean.

                    At an 81% fat diet, there would be all kinds of dangers of lack of micronutrients many of which can cause hair loss. If only 19% of your calories are anything other than fat, how are you getting your nutritional bases covered? Even the Atkins For Seizures ketogenic protocol is only 65% fat. There is no need for that kind of extreme.

                    So basically we have someone here who didn't need to lose weight doing a massively extreme version of a diet that is great for weight loss exposing themselves to nutritional deficiencies in the process but yet blaming the hair loss on the low carbs. Am I missing anything?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                      There seems to be a pattern developing of those who do really poorly on VLC being people who are already quite lean.

                      At an 81% fat diet, there would be all kinds of dangers of lack of micronutrients many of which can cause hair loss. If only 19% of your calories are anything other than fat, how are you getting your nutritional bases covered? Even the Atkins For Seizures ketogenic protocol is only 65% fat. There is no need for that kind of extreme.


                      So basically we have someone here who didn't need to lose weight doing a massively extreme version of a diet that is great for weight loss exposing themselves to nutritional deficiencies in the process but yet blaming the hair loss on the low carbs. Am I missing anything?
                      Are you referring to me in the third person If yes -why?

                      My diet was neither calorie restricted, nor lacking nutrients from a few veggies, meat and fruit. Tests taken also revealed I was not lacking anything. I also wasn't doing it intentionally. I only learned on another Paleo Forum that one should do perfectly fine on meat and fat mostly. Only later when I added up the fat/ carbs/ proteins I discovered it was too high and lowered it.

                      Besides, I already stated that I went from one extreme to another. Where does it say that I am only blaming LC on it? If I recall correctly I just posted something about adjusting gradually.
                      Currently eating strict Paleo, no rice or potatoes. I want to increase carbs and make sure my ratio of carbs, protein and fat is right for me.
                      30, 5'5" and 108 lbs (formerly 100 lbs)
                      I don't work out but I chase and nurse a toddler all day

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Mireia View Post
                        Are you referring to me in the third person If yes -why?

                        My diet was neither calorie restricted, nor lacking nutrients from a few veggies, meat and fruit. Tests taken also revealed I was not lacking anything. I also wasn't doing it intentionally. I only learned on another Paleo Forum that one should do perfectly fine on meat and fat mostly. Only later when I added up the fat/ carbs/ proteins I discovered it was too high and lowered it.

                        Besides, I already stated that I went from one extreme to another. Where does it say that I am only blaming LC on it? If I recall correctly I just posted something about adjusting gradually.
                        My apologies for the third person phrasing.

                        Your post starts out with "I started losing hair after going low carb". And, yes, you did agree that your diet was extreme but still this opening line on a thread all about hair loss looks like you are blaming the LC and adds more fuel to the fear mongering fires.

                        You say your diet was not calorically restricted but, if you are severely underweight and not gaining, you are, by definition under-eating (barring a tapeworm or other nasty condition). Even if you are taking in the RDA for various nutrients, you can still be malnourished. Those are just averages and estimates at best. You need to start a thread entitled "Eat More Food."

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                        • #27
                          I already posted this in the EMF thread, but my 6 month long shed is ended. Today I washed my hair after 2 weeks without, and lost almost none.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                            Your post starts out with "I started losing hair after going low carb". And, yes, you did agree that your diet was extreme but still this opening line on a thread all about hair loss looks like you are blaming the LC and adds more fuel to the fear mongering fires.
                            That is merely an indicator of a point of time. After I ditched the carbs I replaced them with fat to the point where it was too much. It does not change my statement. I don't wish to be part of the carb wars here on the forum. I simply describe my experiences.

                            You say your diet was not calorically restricted but, if you are severely underweight and not gaining, you are, by definition under-eating (barring a tapeworm or other nasty condition). Even if you are taking in the RDA for various nutrients, you can still be malnourished. Those are just averages and estimates at best. You need to start a thread entitled "Eat More Food."
                            I was underweight, but not severely. I ate up to 3700 cals. The reason I did not gain was probably an absorption problem, caused by damage done to my intestinal tract. I suspect I might have had a low grade, undetected gluten issue. However, I am able to gain now, and I have gained.
                            Why would I need to start a thread with that title? The problem seems to be either a too fast metabolism or calorie absorption. I find the title would be misleading.
                            Last edited by Mireia; 03-03-2013, 04:12 PM.
                            Currently eating strict Paleo, no rice or potatoes. I want to increase carbs and make sure my ratio of carbs, protein and fat is right for me.
                            30, 5'5" and 108 lbs (formerly 100 lbs)
                            I don't work out but I chase and nurse a toddler all day

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Mireia View Post
                              That is merely an indicator of a point of time. After I ditched the carbs I replaced them with fat to the point where it was too much. It does not change my statement. I don't wish to be part of the carb wars here on the forum. I simply describe my experiences.
                              Fair enough. Those who wish to scare off people investigating low carb eating often misuse statement such as yours. And, yes, the carb wars are silly.

                              I was underweight, but not severely. I ate up to 3700 cals. The reason I did not gain was probably an absorption problem, caused by damage done to my intestinal tract. I suspect I might have had a low grade, undetected gluten issue. However, I am able to gain now, and I have gained.
                              Why would I need to start a thread with that title? The problem seems to be either a too fast metabolism or calorie absorption. I find the title would be misleading.
                              I'm glad to hear that you are getting the problem sorted out. The absorption issue due to a damaged gut plus a gluten intolerance would do it. That's the sort of thing I was talking about when I said, "barring having a tapeworm or some other condition." So, no, "Eat More Food" would not be the title of your thread. It would be more like "Absorb more of what you eat".

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