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  • Need supplement rec's for my leaky gut / leptin reset

    I think I've got the list of supplements I want to use while working on my leaky gut. I know it will take hours and hours to search this forum for all your recommendations, and I'll do what I need to of that, but I thought I'd start the easy way.

    Mainly I'm looking for your favorite brand, combination of quality (most important) & cost. The fewer fillers, the better - no gluten, corn, or dairy at all. I definitely prefer real food supplements (like dried acerola over synthetic vitamin C) and "natural" over synthetic where available.

    If you have additional notes, like what time of day it should be taken, with or without food, with or without certain other supplements (like I know iron should be with vitamin C), special things to look out for, starting dosages for various issues, progression of dosage, etc., that would be very appreciated.

    (My main issue is a really leaky gut. I do not like supplements. I like getting my nutrition from food. But I recognize that until someone decides to embark on a massive soil-replenishing project, even the best organic foods will be deplete in Mg & Se, and until I get outside for many hours a day, my D will be low. Likewise, until I find a way to get quality, safe fish on a regular basis, I will need to continue my fermented cod liver oil. Those are the only supplements I take regularly, and I guess along the lines of whole, real food supp's, I use raw apple cider vinegar, cups of bone broth, organ meats, & celtic sea salt daily, as well. The reason I'm expanding on this is a temporary project to
    - complete my leptin sensitivity project, which is going very well
    - complement my circadian efforts to raise overall cortisol naturally (my levels are mediocre at best, and bottom of the barrel at noon), in conjunction with the increase that will come once my leptin is in line
    - naturally raise my thyroid function (rT3/fT3 ratio is a dismal 7 (should be >20), fT3 is way below mid-range), in conjunction with the increase that will come once my cortisol and gut are in line
    - seal my leaky gut! I've been trying it on my own for a few years, but really need to accelerate this, as recent tests show severe fat malabsorption, elevated antigliadin sIgA, and positive ANA

    I dislike drugs.)

    Needed:

    1. saccharomyces boulardii (I've used nutrivene and saw no effect)
    2. Prescription grade probiotic (I've used BioKult and saw no effect)
    3. N-acetyl cysteine (NAC)
    4. Zinc
    5. milk thistle
    6. feverfew
    7. thyroid (I'm looking at Dr. Ron's dessicated thyroid + liver, and ThyroGold's dessicated thyroid. Both are just an animal's organ, dried & powdered, just like the beef heart jerky I make - just meat)
    8. sea vegetables (I'm using SeaGreens and thinking about buying some nori sheets) - my concern is iodine and trace minerals
    9. Magnesium (I'm using Natural Calm and not sure if I see effects. I'll try Magnesium glycinate next. Recs for brands and amounts?)
    10. Selenium (actually, will probably just use brazil nuts going forward after my bottle of caps runs out)
    11. Melatonin (I sleep pretty well at night most of the time, but ALWAYS wake exhausted, no matter how much I sleep, even day after day of 9 or 9.5hrs. Don't know if this will help.)
    12. DHEA - mine is low, all my sex hormones are bottom of the range, and I don't have any issues with high testosterone, so should I do DHEA or 7-keto-DHEA? Sources?
    13. Pregnenolone - again, the mother hormone of all the sex hormones in which I am woefully deficient. Temporary measure to give me some life (chronic fatigue is one of my major complaints) while working on raising levels naturally.

    Also, anyone know if natural vitamin C, like powdered acerola or camu-camu, require as much as powdered buffered ascorbic acid? It takes a ton of acerola to get 1000mg of C, the amount in just 1/4tsp of AA powder, but I suspect perhaps it's more efficient and doesn't really require as much, mg-wise?

    I intend to undertake the supplementation under a doctor's care, but want to do my homework to find the best sources in advance.

    Thanks!
    5'4" 39yo mother to five sweeties & married to their AMAZING DaddyGrok
    Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
    Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
    Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
    ***Winning a 20-year war against binge eating disorder***

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    I order the majority from amazon.com (nows a good time to spring for prime membership)

    Nordic Naturals - ultimate omega...I pop 4-6 pills over the course a of day

    Source Naturals Brand is pretty much every allergen free (I use that and NOW brands a lot)
    I use their optizinc (1 pill), selenium (1 pill), Tumeic 1000

    Cortisol Help - Shinjin and Chris Kesser reccomend this adapotgen blend:
    Apex Energetics Adaptocrine K-2 90 Capsules
    I take 2 pills 3 times a day (morning, noon and before bed)

    Life Extension makes the brand of NAC I am starting to use - its also allergen free. I havent started it yet (kinda want to wait on testing), but its the precursor to glutathione. Chris Kesser is also sending me a "glutatione recycler" Not sure if I will use that in additon to the NAC or in place of (probably will use both)
    Apex Energetics GLUTATHIONE RECYCLER K-57 90 caps

    Natren Trinity Probiotics - Chris Kesser seemed ok with me taking it - they are refridgerated and you can purchase at the health store (whole foods). I take 1-2 caps daily. Colleen mentioned you want to make sure it has at least 50 billion bacteria and is refridgerated

    Milk Thistle -I take up to 6 pills daily of jarrows brand
    http://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formula...8032026&sr=8-1


    Pregnelone - I havent' started tihs yet but Janz reccommends Life Extension

    Melatonin - havent started this one yet either but Colleen recommends Metarest



    You might consider whey shakes even though they aren't whole foods. I am looking into Marks' primal fuel (recommended by Dr Kruse). May start using this around lunchtime as I'm normally not hungry then and it shouldne be hard to get down. Whey apparently also breaks down into glutathione. Not sure how often I would need it (a few times a week? every day?)

    I take a a ton of other supplements but they aren't really targeted for a leaky gut: k2, lactoferrin, cinnamon, MSM (1 tsp 2x a day), Natural Calm Magensium before bed

    I also drink Kevita probiotics a few times a week, and bone broths and fermented veggies every day
    Last edited by nuttmegs17; 01-31-2012, 10:49 AM.

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    • #3
      MamaGrok

      I'm a fan of jarrow, now foods, lef, and jigsaw brands

      I use the following:
      jarrow optimal EPA/DHA O3
      jarrow phosphatidylserine (100mg)

      Now foods
      Prenatal caps
      Bcomplex
      maca (500mg - in the past I've taken upto 2000mg)
      5htp
      chaste berry
      VitD3 (5000IU)

      Jigsaw
      high potency VitC
      magnesium (I've had great success w/this!)

      LEF
      7Keto Dhea
      PQQ

      Ubiniquol CoQ19 from Costco (not the kirkland brand)

      Nordic naturals CLO (I can't justify the $$ for the green pastures FCLO)

      for cortisol: I've used the jarrow phosphatidylserine (100mg), maca (500mg - in the past I've taken upto 2000mg), 500mg Rodohila (Now foods), 200mg of l-theanine (Jarrow), apex energetics adaptocrine

      I'm looking at adding Selenium, Pregnenlone, MSM and iodine
      The most depraved type of human being is the man without a purpose. ~ Ayn Rand
      What's your purpose? Mine is Optimal Health.

      Converted to PB November 2010
      SW 190lb
      Leptin Reset Redux (1Sep 2011) SW 170lbs
      25 Sep 2011 160lbs
      1 Dec 2011 158lbs!
      GW ~135lbs
      5'3"
      Mother of 2, and wife to a kick ass husband...trying to contain chaos and havoc on a daily basis

      My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread40609.html

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      • #4
        Originally posted by nuttmegs17 View Post
        You might consider whey shakes even though they aren't whole foods. I am looking into Marks' primal fuel (recommended by Dr Kruse). May start using this around lunchtime as I'm normally not hungry then and it shouldne be hard to get down. Whey apparently also breaks down into glutathione. Not sure how often I would need it (a few times a week? every day?)
        I use Natural Factors Whey Factors plain, which is a really good one with no additives. I buy it on Amazon which is MUCH cheaper than in the stores. I have a smoothie most days, which may be too much for some.
        Buy house, Demolish house, Build house.

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        • #5
          Here are the ones I use from your list:

          Zinc - New Chapter (a whole food vitamin/mineral company)
          Probiotic - Natren Trinity (just starting this one)
          Milk Thistle - Eclectic Institute Eclectic Institute Freeze-Dried Milk Thistle -- 120 Vegetarian Capsules - Vitacost
          Magnesium - Ancient Minerals Magnesium Flakes made into Magnesium Oil (it's supposed to be a more bio-available form of magnesium). Not sure but it's easy to apply and less pills to go through my system.

          I guess you already know my thoughts on thyroid meds

          I also take:

          Nordic Naturals COL
          PQQ ( can't remember brand right off my head)
          Dr. Wilson's Adrenal Rebuilder
          New Chapter Selenium
          Biotics Research Bio-D-Mulsion Forte
          Enzymedica Estro-balance (DIM)
          Jarrow Ubiquinol QH-Absorb (CoQ10)
          Douglas Laboratories Stress Plex Forte (B Complex)

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          • #6
            Thanks so much for everything so far!

            I have a dairy issue these days, yippee yippee, so no whey. I have lots and lots of it, though, strained off various dairy ferments I've made. WIsh I could use it; I love the yogurt whey! It's a refreshing mid-afternoon thirst-quencher.

            I'm taking copious notes!
            5'4" 39yo mother to five sweeties & married to their AMAZING DaddyGrok
            Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
            Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
            Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
            ***Winning a 20-year war against binge eating disorder***

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            • #7
              Originally posted by MamaGrok View Post
              Thanks so much for everything so far!

              I have a dairy issue these days, yippee yippee, so no whey. I have lots and lots of it, though, strained off various dairy ferments I've made. WIsh I could use it; I love the yogurt whey! It's a refreshing mid-afternoon thirst-quencher.

              I'm taking copious notes!
              Duh - how could I forget that? I am lactose intolerant and also on an autoimmune protocol for hashis (no dairy etc)...whats a gal with autoimmune issues and leaky gut to do if she wants glutathione? I might have to ask Dr. Kruse....I suppose just stick to NAC or get my hands on intravenus Glutathione for cheap

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              • #8
                Originally posted by nuttmegs17 View Post
                Duh - how could I forget that? I am lactose intolerant and also on an autoimmune protocol for hashis (no dairy etc)...whats a gal with autoimmune issues and leaky gut to do if she wants glutathione? I might have to ask Dr. Kruse....I suppose just stick to NAC or get my hands on intravenus Glutathione for cheap
                I'm not familiar with the AI protocol but if you aren't super sensitive and it's mainly the lactose and casein that's a problem, whey protein isolate has very little lactose. Check the label as some have more than others. The stuff I use doesn't bother me, although I'm not that sensitive.
                Buy house, Demolish house, Build house.

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                • #9
                  More notes from other threads:

                  Smoked oysters from amazon. (zinc)

                  I get my cacao and nibs from nutsonline.com.

                  delivered every 6mths...Navitas Naturals Organic Raw Chocolate Nibs Mayan Superfood, 10 Pound Bag: Amazon.com: Grocery & Gourmet Food

                  milk thistle: I'm taking the Jarrow forumula Standardized Silymarin Extract 30:1
                  I take 450 mg twice per day... I am waiting to see what it does for the rT3 number and may up mine as well.

                  You can view the supplement info on the label at this link:
                  Milk Thistle 150 mg 200 Capsules by Jarrow Formulas Milk Thistle 150 mg 200 Capsules by Jarrow Formulas
                  5'4" 39yo mother to five sweeties & married to their AMAZING DaddyGrok
                  Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
                  Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
                  Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
                  ***Winning a 20-year war against binge eating disorder***

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                  • #10
                    Charles Poliquin uses a glutamine load for his clients with leaky gut syndrome. My parents did this a few months ago and feel much better. I guess its worth a shot.
                    Here is the link to the glutamine load
                    And I get my glutamine from truenutrition.com

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                    • #11
                      The Primal Defense probiotic blend from Garden of Life is the only one that offers noticeable benefits for me. They also have a separate blend for kids.

                      I know that at least one person on this forum ate the actual pork adrenal glands for his adrenal issues. I have often wondered if the same could be done for thyroid and where I might source said organs. I might talk to my local butcher.

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                      • #12
                        Pulling together ideas from other threads:

                        - zinc - buy fresh oysters & smoke them. Buy Crown Prince smoked oysters from TJ's (wait ... I think I have these, lol). Try Legal Seafood in dntn Atl?
                        - Dr K: 1200-2400mg NAC/day for leaky gut
                        - I crunch up nori sheets on top of my salads a couple times a week, and I also use raw dulse flakes in place of salt regularly.
                        - shijin: I've had brilliant success w/ 1000mg of mag, + 3mg of melatonin... 1hr before bedtime..


                        * plain Nori sheets.

                        * Nori tastes way better to me in the toasted salted versions than just the plain sushi sheets.

                        * Kombu next time... it is the bacon of the ocean... YUM you would like Kombu. It comes dried and hard, but you can soak it in water and warm it up in some butter, bacon fat, etc. and it tastes like bacon. It is delicious! It doesn't taste like what you think of as seaweed

                        * I LOVE SeaSnax toasted seaweed sheets. They are salted and have a small amount of olive oil. Delicious. I ate several packages the first day I tried them! (pre reset)

                        * Fueru Wakame Dried Seaweed. 1 pound for $3.99. I put a 3/4 cup of the dried with water and it exploded into 5-6 cups of hydrated seaweed. Wow. It is pretty good with hot water as a soup by itself. Somewhat salty. I plan on making some brothe tonight and will add the hydrated. First experience with seaweed. I like it.- Dextery


                        I've tried kombu in the past. I believe the recipes I had said put one or two strips in your soup as it cooks. It stays pretty hard so the recipes said to discard it before eating the soup. Seems like a waste to me but I did find it too hard to eat.

                        Another good seaweed is hijiki. It's usually really expensive. Looks like black branches. I've had it as a salad with julienne or shredded carrots at vegetarian restaurants and thought it was delicious.

                        I found some frozen fresh seaweed salad at the Asian market and plan to make a sashimi salad with it. I've had this at a local restaurant and it's really good. The lady at the market said to wash the seaweed well because they put a lot of salt on it. I can see the salt grains. Then she said use sugar, sesame oil, soy sauce and sesame seeds. I'll add some sashimi tuna and skip the sugar.
                        Last edited by MamaGrok; 02-03-2012, 02:29 PM.
                        5'4" 39yo mother to five sweeties & married to their AMAZING DaddyGrok
                        Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
                        Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
                        Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
                        ***Winning a 20-year war against binge eating disorder***

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                        • #13
                          MLM pregnenolone from Nutricology

                          Chris:
                          Super Selenium (four kinds together)

                          jansz I use
                          2/day--> Super Selenium Complex, 200 mcg 100 capsules, lef.org

                          For my notes.


                          colleen: I take regular DHEA because it converts to testosterone BUT you need to take saw palmetto with it to make sure it converts the right way. I take 160 mg 2x a day with it.

                          Get NAC (N-Acetyl Cysteine) 600mg from Now Foods
                          eat 4 pills/day for few days
                          Now Foods, NAC, 600 mg, 250 Vcaps N-Acetyl Cysteine *
                          http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-NAC-6...Vcaps/694?at=0
                          ------------------------

                          http://jackkruse.com/what-are-the-to...o-supplements/

                          Jack is taking 1800mg/day, bedtime


                          2 pills/morning 7ketoDHEA lef.org
                          1 pill/wakeup, 1 pill/4 hrs latter, pregnenolone Micronized Lipid Matrix from Nutricology. (not an acetate)
                          Last edited by MamaGrok; 02-16-2012, 06:12 PM.
                          5'4" 39yo mother to five sweeties & married to their AMAZING DaddyGrok
                          Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
                          Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
                          Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
                          ***Winning a 20-year war against binge eating disorder***

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                          • #14
                            Thanks for all the helpful additions to this thread. I'm about to start ordering things, and have a question:

                            Where is the best place to buy most supplements? I know places like iherb.com; do they usually beat out amazon or no?
                            5'4" 39yo mother to five sweeties & married to their AMAZING DaddyGrok
                            Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
                            Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
                            Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
                            ***Winning a 20-year war against binge eating disorder***

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                            • #15
                              I think glutamine is great for healing the gut. Try 20 grams/day for a while and see how it goes. Bone broth too.

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