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    In western culture and society the gender line is becoming more and more blurred, particularly in the last 2 generations. Where has the archetypal male image gone? What do women think about this? What do the guys think?

    Do women find men wearing women's pants attractive? I know of some chemical issues surrounding a contaminated food supply (BPA, etc.).

    What do people feel is exactly going on?

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    Some women do... some don't. Not all males dress/act that way so it's not really a big deal.
    Honestly I'd rather have a guy act/dress how he really feels comfortable with himself even if that means it's "feminine" in some peoples opinion than a guy who walks around faking YOUR concept of "maleness". Many traditional cultures even allow for transgender individuals to hold a respected place within the community.

    Feminine and masculine are completely social/cultural constructs... not so long ago in europe the MOST masculine/sought-after males often wore high heels, lace poofs, brightly colored brocades and silks, make-up, and wigs or at least were expected to have long silky elegantly coiffed hair.
    Study some anthropology and history sometime. Feminine and masculine are not static.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
      Some women do... some don't. Not all males dress/act that way so it's not really a big deal.
      Honestly I'd rather have a guy act/dress how he really feels comfortable with himself even if that means it's "feminine" in some peoples opinion than a guy who walks around faking YOUR concept of "maleness". Many traditional cultures even allow for transgender individuals to hold a respected place within the community.

      Feminine and masculine are completely social/cultural constructs... not so long ago in europe the MOST masculine/sought-after males often wore high heels, lace poofs, brightly colored brocades and silks, make-up, and wigs or at least were expected to have long silky elegantly coiffed hair.
      Study some anthropology and history sometime. Feminine and masculine are not static.
      Yet more proof that I was born in the wrong daggone century. I don't know what it is about men that can pull off makeup and long hair . . .
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      • #4
        Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
        Some women do... some don't. Not all males dress/act that way so it's not really a big deal.
        Honestly I'd rather have a guy act/dress how he really feels comfortable with himself even if that means it's "feminine" in some peoples opinion than a guy who walks around faking YOUR concept of "maleness". Many traditional cultures even allow for transgender individuals to hold a respected place within the community.

        Feminine and masculine are completely social/cultural constructs... not so long ago in europe the MOST masculine/sought-after males often wore high heels, lace poofs, brightly colored brocades and silks, make-up, and wigs or at least were expected to have long silky elegantly coiffed hair.
        Study some anthropology and history sometime. Feminine and masculine are not static.
        I'm not sure you understand,I wasn't making a judgement about one way or the other. I was making an observation about our current society. I guess it's pretty atypical for MDA forums to be misconstrued like this. I suppose starting a discussion wasn't right for this forum.

        I'm completely aware of the historical and anthropological status of the masculine and feminine morphing and blurring lines. I was curious about what people thought.

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        • #5
          men are not social constructs.

          a man is a man is a man.

          like i said in the other thread, whether a male is a man is determined by the way he sees the world, not by any superficial fashion or by some skill.

          the biological difference between the sexes necessitates, by definition, that the male and female will experience the world differently.

          for the question 'what is a man?' the answer is 'the male that is most united with his Soul'.

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          • #6
            You have a couple of theories, ranging from the societal:

            The knife of feminism has cut too far. Instead of equality, we've ended up with sameness.

            To the metaphysical:

            The Earth is entering the feminine half of its galactic orbit.

            What we need, is to bring back the Spartan state!
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            • #7
              Originally posted by ChefGrok View Post
              What do people feel is exactly going on?
              Probably the advent of birth control for women.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Rip @ MIPWID View Post
                You have a couple of theories, ranging from the societal:

                The knife of feminism has cut too far. Instead of equality, we've ended up with sameness.

                To the metaphysical:

                The Earth is entering the feminine half of its galactic orbit.

                What we need, is to bring back the Spartan state!
                Those are pretty interesting theories...

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                • #9
                  Yeah, and feminist women try to be better than men, even to hating - when we're all equal. It's a mixed up world.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ChefGrok View Post
                    In western culture and society the gender line is becoming more and more blurred, particularly in the last 2 generations. Where has the archetypal male image gone? What do women think about this? What do the guys think?

                    Do women find men wearing women's pants attractive? I know of some chemical issues surrounding a contaminated food supply (BPA, etc.).

                    What do people feel is exactly going on?
                    Humans are the most adaptable species on the planet. You're viewing gender through the bias of Western civilization. While sex and gender are innate, although fluid, the markers you're using are those of the culture you're a part of. While there are definite biological differences between the sexes how we express our masculine or feminine can and does vary over cultures. What's rapidly changed over the last 2 generations is technology. The archetypal male has had to adapt to a world that requires more brain and less brawn.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by alg2435 View Post
                      Yeah, and feminist women try to be better than men, even to hating - when we're all equal. It's a mixed up world.
                      Funny, I'm a feminist and I'm rather fond of men.
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                      • #12
                        I find I do best when I take individuals as individuals. I dated a guy a while back who tried to hard to be macho, and it just wasn't him. Sometimes I tend to bring that out in guys since I'm not exactly a delicate flower myself. That being said, I like a nice mix of at least more masculine than I have to be to survive at work, with a little bit of "It's okay to actually have emotions" mixed in.

                        My personal choices, though, and anyone that doesn't fit into this scenario of mine is perfectly fine as a human, just not a good partner for me.
                        Durp.

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                        • #13
                          the thing is to be oneself.

                          if you are a male and ask what is a man? the answer will reveal itself as you approach 'Yourself'.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by RitaRose View Post
                            My personal choices, though, and anyone that doesn't fit into this scenario of mine is perfectly fine as a human, just not a good partner for me.
                            I feel the same way, and I would hope that most people would feel this way too.

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                            • #15
                              but it's not easy to be oneself.

                              everything is stacked against a person being True to their Soul.

                              it takes great courage and much practice, and it comes easier for some than others; it depends on many factors.

                              most will go an entire life without facing this.

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