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  • #91
    Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
    I know some very sexy attractive women, most of whom have a threshold of a 6 figure salary for the men they will date. So you see these gorgeous, fit, smart women with men with moobs and a nice car.
    I just don't get women who think this way. It's not the moobs part. My hubby is in good shape, but I'd still love him even if he had moobs and a pot belly. What I don't understand is setting a salary threshold for men. Damn, maybe I'm a romantic, but isn't love and compatibility and faithfulness and trust more important than a fancy car in the driveway? Money is not the path to happiness.

    I find it weird that women even use income as a dating criteria. Steady job... yes. As that shows responsibility and a general not-a-slacker attitude. But income amount?? I'd rather have a guy that made me laugh than bought me diamonds.

    ETA: Ok, after some more thought: I can MAYBE understand this for a woman who grew up financially insecure and has no earning power of her own. In that case, I can understand psychologically why she would place value on money. Although, in truth, I still think a man with a strong work ethic and a steady job is the better choice than the "soft" 6-figure earner, cause that guy is the stereotypical stockbroker who jumps off a building after the market crashes.
    Last edited by banananutmuffin; 01-25-2012, 07:51 AM.
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    • #92
      Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
      This is not a positive trait anymore as it doesn't pay the bills. It's the weaker men that make money now for the most part, and those are the men desirable women select to mate with. I know some very sexy attractive women, most of whom have a threshold of a 6 figure salary for the men they will date. So you see these gorgeous, fit, smart women with men with moobs and a nice car. Literally the hottest guy I know is a 20 something, AMAZING body, just wow drop dead attractive. He digs ditches for a living. Dated some dumpy gal for a while, asked her to marry him and she said no, wanted to start a family. I see him and I'm like ... Wow.... wish I was single- I'd be all over that! Meanwhile, I have a stunning friend who's husband has larger breasts than I do. He's very passive, but a nice guy. I don't think in any universe, I could get into sleeping with the guy- but he makes 6 figures.

      My guess as to what will happen- women who make money and don't need a man to support them will end up with the handsome/masculine guys, but are less likely to reproduce.

      Oh, and I don't think corporate america favors the strong, decision maker independent man anymore- they want the team player chump.
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      • #93
        So does this mean 6-figure earning hot guys are the top of the heap? Because plenty of those guys exist, too. And if that's the case, maybe some women choose the mooby 6-figure guy simply because there would be less competition for him.

        I know that I worry the women my hubby works with will get more aggressive toward him as he gets hotter.
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        • #94
          Originally posted by Rosegin View Post
          I was going to reply but I don't need to. This post says everything I wanted to.
          I clarified this earlier in the thread, please read the whole thing.

          And again to be clear, I don't have an agenda here. For instance, my all-time favorite musician is Jimi Hendrix. This was a man, and he wore frilly shirts and feather boas and I couldn't care less.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by banananutmuffin View Post
            I know that I worry the women my hubby works with will get more aggressive toward him as he gets hotter.
            Why? Don't you trust your husband?
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            • #96
              Originally posted by Blackcatbone View Post
              Why? Don't you trust your husband?
              LOL. Yes, I trust him implicitly. But that doesn't mean I want a bunch of hotties throwing themselves at him all the time.
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              • #97
                I find it weird that women even use income as a dating criteria. Steady job... yes. As that shows responsibility and a general not-a-slacker attitude. But income amount?? I'd rather have a guy that made me laugh than bought me diamonds.
                Their goal in general is to be a SAHM and maintain a very high quality of life- most are 30 plus, and already have well paying careers. They want to exit those careers and focus on family, but want to maintain the lifestyle- spa trips, nice car, dining out. After the wedding, they buy a pricy house, attend yoga, have nannies, take impeccable care of themselves and this requires a man with a large income. A nice guy who fixes cars and makes $50,000 a year is not going to keep them clothed in Lulu Lemon and eating from Whole Foods.

                Personally- I went with the sexy guy.... he happens to have a decent job, and I work and support myself. But he'll never make enough that I can be "kept" (which is fine- I don't mind).

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                • #98
                  Oh, and re: the unattractive men with moobs and 6 figures... they seem to end up with pretty bitches- I think those women know they can walk all over them and not worry about a thing. A lot of attractive men have really sweet wives.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Dirlot View Post
                    Ouch!

                    I just died a little inside of me.

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                    • I don't know if this has been mentioned, but the lack of a father in the home can be a real detriment to boys who need a role model. If they don't have a competent, caring, strong man to look up to, they will use their mother as their primary inspiration, and won't learn HOW to be masculine. Women who have children out of wedlock are doing their sons a tremendous disservice, IMO.

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                      • I didn't read all the replies but I am so sick of seeing these skinny ass dudes with justin beiber hair who wear tight ass skinny jeans and could not defend a women in a dark alley. That whole trend needs to end a.s.a.p. last year even the modeling industry changed it and got rid of the skinny ass, no muscle models and replaced them with models with more muscle. i am not talking about guys who are just built skinny naturally or anything. Just the trend you have been seeing young kids and such in america. Hence, primal guys are sexxy as hell, and the vampire, skinny ass wimps are not. Sorry but this trend has been bothering me for years now and I am on the prowl for a real man! lol
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                        • Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                          A lot of attractive men have really sweet wives.
                          In this case I must be a f*cking adonis because my wife rocks. Kidding of course (about the adonis part). I like your posts in this thread because they generally reinforce my low opinion of most women. Luckily my wife is not a shallow biatch and is fine with my $50K a year and moobs (getting smaller...thanks Mark).

                          As for the OP, I think it is manly to be your own person. A man doesn't need to apologize for who he is. He's confident. Want to wear skinny jeans like an emo teenage girl? Knock yourself out brother. Just work them skinny jeans. Want to roll in the mud, wrestle gators, fix trucks and eat sheet metal? Cool. Go with that. You be your own man; I'll be mine.

                          And as for my first comment, one reason I like MDA is because the women generally are not what I consider 'typical' women. For the most part, you all don't make me want to punch you in the ovaries on an hourly basis

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                          • Originally posted by Man is Truth
                            There is no incentive to stand up for yourself.
                            The State is inexorably, year by year, supplanting the role of provider making men superfluous. I think it reached a tipping point about 20 years ago. What you're really observing is the maturation of a cohort of men that was raised exclusively by women w/ no male presence. The result is entirely understandable.

                            It's all wild stereotyping but I'm itching to finally settle down and women my age, despite their best efforts, all seem to have if not outright troubled kids just kids that are unmotivated to do anything. And they're in their 20's. And spare me the economy, this was true even before depression 2.0. It's a deal-breaker only because it seems like the possibility of some tough love has long passed. That's not to mention the countless 50-somethings I work with now raising grandkids, because their kids can't even manage to pull it together to do that. I'd shoot myself.

                            I have friends 1st gen immigrants that would dearly love to marry me off and I'm beginning to seriously consider it. These communities don't seem to have this problem.
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                            • Originally posted by banananutmuffin View Post
                              I find it weird that women even use income as a dating criteria. Steady job... yes. As that shows responsibility and a general not-a-slacker attitude. But income amount?? I'd rather have a guy that made me laugh than bought me diamonds.
                              Seriously. Though I've added a couple financial/career criteria over the years due to my experience of what works for me. Steady job is important, but I don't think I'll ever want to be serious with a man who cannot live within his means. A small income is fine. I'm pretty good at making my own damn money. A small income and massive credit card debts will get me running the other way. Same thing with a huge income and massive debt. It doesn't matter how much you make if you're in the red at the end of the month. The latter probably has a nicer car and stuff, but that's not really what I care about.

                              Another one I've realized is a big deal: He has to be interested. Now, he can have a crappy day job if he has some other thing he loves doing. Maybe he's an artist or a musician or has some sport he loves playing. He needs to have some sort of drive and inspiration. If he has a crappy day job and it's not to support some other passion, then he is not the guy for me. And whatever he does, he should care about being good at it. My husband loves the work he does. It excites him. He's constantly striving to learn more. I feel the same about my work. I just don't think I'd be a good match for a guy who didn't have passionate interests in life. Success is attractive. It doesn't necessarily have to mean money. A guy could be an amazing teacher and poor as a churchmouse. That's still attractive.

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                              • i left this thread at one page and i come back, there are three pages now.

                                it's almost like some of you guys saw this as an opportunity for discussion rather than a platform to get dado in your brain.

                                i explained to The People what a male and a man is, i explained why cultural stereotypes are insignificant, and i gave you examples.

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