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  • #31
    Originally posted by Blackcatbone View Post
    Humans are the most adaptable species on the planet. You're viewing gender through the bias of Western civilization. While sex and gender are innate, although fluid, the markers you're using are those of the culture you're a part of. While there are definite biological differences between the sexes how we express our masculine or feminine can and does vary over cultures. What's rapidly changed over the last 2 generations is technology. The archetypal male has had to adapt to a world that requires more brain and less brawn.
    +1
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    • #32
      Originally posted by ChefGrok View Post
      I'm being serious, is there anyone other than yourself that you consider to be a man. Is this something that can be assessed by someone else? Or is it strictly something that is self-realized?
      it is never explicitly assessed, but it is felt.

      when you walk into a room, within thirty seconds you know who is a man and who is a male, whether you wish you admit this or not.

      when you are with an intimate group of people, you know almost immediately who is a man and who is a male.
      Last edited by dado; 01-24-2012, 04:31 PM.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by RitaRose View Post
        For me, a real man doesn't speak when he doesn't know.

        Because no one knows everything, and a good leader understands that.
        +1

        When I was in the military, the ones who made decisions just to make them usually had dire consequences. The only true leaders I had never made a decision until they were sure it was right in their mind.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by RitaRose View Post
          For me, a real man doesn't speak when he doesn't know.

          Because no one knows everything, and a good leader understands that.
          no one knows everything. this is impossible.

          but if a man chooses to speak on something, he must speak on this from his perspective and without any doubt of the understanding that he does hold.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by dado View Post
            it is never explicitly assessed, but it is felt.

            when you walk into a room, within thirty seconds you know who is a man and who is a male, whether you wish you admit this or not.

            when you are with an intimate group of people you know almost immediately who is a man and who is a male.
            OK, got it

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            • #36
              Okay, call me a sexist pig, but The Boyfriend told me something last night that I found amazing and wonderful and yet not at all surprising, coming from him. We were discussing how I usually let him make the vast majority of decisions because 1)I hate to and 2)he has an insane amount of information stashed away in his head so it's usually a better decision anyway.

              Anyway, he said something to the effect of "You do know every decision I make has your best interest at heart." Gotta love a man like that.
              Durp.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by ChefGrok View Post
                OK, got it
                of course, it is possible that there are no men present.

                most humans go for days, weeks, months, or even years without coming accross a man.

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                • #38
                  I think it's wrong to assume men have always been "masculine" in the rugged "manly" sense. I mean, men wore high heels before women did. There were plenty of male poets, artists, and "feminine" types. Nor do I think women have always been attracted to purely masculine men. Rudolph Valentino was sex on a stick and he was very effeminate.

                  Personally, I think some guys are extremely sexy if they have certain feminine traits but they own them. Others I may not immediatly think "I'd tap that" but I completly agree are gorgeous. The Japanese singer Gackt is an example. He owns it though.

                  I also find rugged manly men sexy. It really comes down to being authentic and having a brain and decent manners.

                  But in personal preference, the biggest turn-off for me is a guy who won't argue with me and who uses words and posing to cover up a lack of confidence. I've known "softer looking" dudes who've been way more "manly" to me than more muscular ones because they just have more of an edge.
                  Last edited by Phoenixflame; 01-24-2012, 05:04 PM.

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                  • #39
                    I took a class on biology and gender in college (liberal arts college, wooo), and we discussed at length the line between "sex" and "gender." The general consensus we had was that sex is something biological, whereas gender is something that is more culturally defined. We talked about how many cultures, past and present, have had culturally-accepted gender roles that were something between male and female (such as the modern day "ladyboys"). We also talked about instances in the biological world where there are distinct types of behavior that seem to define "intermediate genders" in that species. For example, there is a species of...cichlid? I think, anyway a freshwater fish...where male fish exhibit one of two general sets of behaviors and traits: the "macho" males that are big and boldy colored and patterned, and "female-mimic" males that are smaller and look more like females. Both types of males seem to be equally successful in mating with females, but they use drastically different strategies to do do.

                    Anyway. What im saying is that expecting a society to have perfect behavioral delineation between sexes is a fallacy, since it is neither supported by human history nor comparative biology.

                    That being SAID, there is a problem in our culture of artificial-estrogens in our food and environment which we know screws with the development and reproductive biology of many types of fish and amphibians and I dont think its a big leap to suspect that its having weird effects on our own biology as well.
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                    • #40
                      The Way of the Superior Man - David Deida great book!

                      IMO its a lot to do with sexual polarity. Feminine traits need masculine traits for attraction. Today it seems those are closer together, thus creating boring relationships. You can have great companionship that way, be best buds and wear sweat pants and be lazy together. But without that polarity, there is something missing.
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                      • #41
                        I was told by all the church ladies in my youth that all the bad things I did were caused by being male. So, it followed in my head, the less manlike I could be the closer to holy I could become. They rolled their eyes and took everything I said as if I was just a joke, an inferior being to be ignored. It still burns. I'm still afraid to say anything much in a room full or women because there are always two or three who got raped and now make the belittling of men into their favorite hobby - as a team. Guess what, lady? I didn't rape you, I'm not your Dad or your perverted Uncle, and it's okay for ME to have IDEAS, even if I'm not a total pansy. You don't want equality, you want to pretend men don't exist and THAT'S NOT OKAY.

                        But if I said that out loud, guess what I'd be? A sexist pig. Because I'm done being treated like a second class citizen.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Corvidae View Post
                          That being SAID, there is a problem in our culture of artificial-estrogens in our food and environment which we know screws with the development and reproductive biology of many types of fish and amphibians and I dont think its a big leap to suspect that its having weird effects on our own biology as well.
                          I would agree with this statement, we all understand that there will be variations in all human behavior. Those differences will exist, but I'm interested in the environmental and chemical factors that might be pushing things into a place they wouldn't have normally gone.

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                          • #43
                            That's not it. Watch a Disney Movie. We're raised to be stupid, taught to be nothing at all.
                            Crohn's, doing SCD

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
                              Some women do... some don't. Not all males dress/act that way so it's not really a big deal.
                              Honestly I'd rather have a guy act/dress how he really feels comfortable with himself even if that means it's "feminine" in some peoples opinion than a guy who walks around faking YOUR concept of "maleness". Many traditional cultures even allow for transgender individuals to hold a respected place within the community.

                              Feminine and masculine are completely social/cultural constructs... not so long ago in europe the MOST masculine/sought-after males often wore high heels, lace poofs, brightly colored brocades and silks, make-up, and wigs or at least were expected to have long silky elegantly coiffed hair.
                              Study some anthropology and history sometime. Feminine and masculine are not static.

                              +111111111111111...

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                                I was told by all the church ladies in my youth that all the bad things I did were caused by being male. So, it followed in my head, the less manlike I could be the closer to holy I could become. They rolled their eyes and took everything I said as if I was just a joke, an inferior being to be ignored. It still burns. I'm still afraid to say anything much in a room full or women because there are always two or three who got raped and now make the belittling of men into their favorite hobby - as a team. Guess what, lady? I didn't rape you, I'm not your Dad or your perverted Uncle, and it's okay for ME to have IDEAS, even if I'm not a total pansy. You don't want equality, you want to pretend men don't exist and THAT'S NOT OKAY.

                                But if I said that out loud, guess what I'd be? A sexist pig. Because I'm done being treated like a second class citizen.
                                because christianity makes its money from keeping the weak, weak; and cutting the strong down so that they will be weak.


                                christianity is the ugly, it suffocates life.

                                i don't have enough words in my english to fully describe the disgust with which i view this religion.

                                in the history of man nothing has slaughtered so many humans as christianity.

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