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    I've noticed in the last year of arguing on various forums all over the Internet that a showdown of sorts seems to be going on, primal/paleo people versus the CW calorie counters. The calorie counters want to have it all and eat it all, while the primal/paleo crowd says whoa that's not entirely how it works and let me share my experience with you and what I"ve learned. The calorie crowd dismisses and says there's no science to prove what you are saying and all you have to do is keep count of your calories/count your WW points, do your exercise and you will be saved.

    I have most recently been on a forum/diet support group that has all kinds of teams, counters, endless reams of "helpful information" and even gives you trophies and little points for whatever goals you achieve, it's highly interactive and even a little touchy-feely. This site promotes its diet philosophy which is based on counting calories, eating a "balanced" diet (including ridiculous amounts of grains), and logging exercise so that nothing is unaccounted for-- everything is tracked with the end goal being "success". But it seems that even some of the team leaders on the board can't manage their weight, and everyone on there, like a full 90% of the whole board, lives life on some kind of perpetual trauma/drama kind of trip such that you would think the whole lifestyle shift thing was an on going soap opera. What really floors me about this is I've encountered these same people on other forums all over the Internet-- they are everywhere, living in fear of an uncounted calorie, a missed workout, weekends, Egg beaters versus regular eggs, a missed glass of water, the evils of butter & cholesterol, constipation, gaining back 3 lbs, and on and on. The primal/paleo crowd is often the other group of people who make valiant efforts to get the point across and point out errors in CW thinking only to be repeatedly beat up and made to feel stupid and wrong. It's all getting so tiring and I secretly feel guilty that I have done so well all these years even semi primal. Animal protein has been my salvation all these years. I've tracked carbs and protein, not calories. For a lot of years I didn't allow a lot of big calorie splurges, I was pretty strict, which helped me stay in my skinny jeans. I'm wondering, is there something wrong with me because I'm not as in to the diet drama as everyone else? Or do I have the right to be a little fatigued that the rest of the culture refuses to get it 15 years since the advent of lower carb revolution?

  • #2
    too much words.

    what is your question?

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    • #3
      Everyone looks to community and culture in order to succeed. The problem with those groups is that the community seems to have fostered a culture of micromanaging and complaining and stressing in order to succeed. Here, the culture seems to be more bragging about accomplishments and being enthusiastic about what things we DO eat.

      Also its probably largely influenced by control. That way of dieting is all about controlling every little thing all the time, which generates and requires a lot of stress in order to maintain. For most of us here, we barely have to control anything, just choose to avoid certain things and everything else starts to fall into place, which gives us free time to be positive with each other.
      "Since going primal, I've found that there are very few problems that cannot be solved with butter and/or bacon fat."

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Corvidae View Post
        Everyone looks to community and culture in order to succeed. The problem with those groups is that the community seems to have fostered a culture of micromanaging and complaining and stressing in order to succeed. Here, the culture seems to be more bragging about accomplishments and being enthusiastic about what things we DO eat.

        Also its probably largely influenced by control. That way of dieting is all about controlling every little thing all the time, which generates and requires a lot of stress in order to maintain. For most of us here, we barely have to control anything, just choose to avoid certain things and everything else starts to fall into place, which gives us free time to be positive with each other.
        buahahahahhahaa


        what are you, a grad student?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by dado View Post
          too much words.

          what is your question?
          It's the bits with the ? at the end
          If you're interested in my (very) occasional updates on how I'm working out and what I'm eating click here.

          Originally posted by tfarny
          If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Misabi View Post
            It's the bits with the ? at the end
            brevity, it's not just for assholes

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            • #7
              Originally posted by dado View Post
              too much words.

              what is your question?
              Have you not encountered CW people around the Internet? I've been following CW versus paleo/primal arguments on almost all nutrition/diet/weight loss forums.

              It's not a question so much as a rant.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by fiercehunter View Post
                Have you not encountered CW people around the Internet? I've been following CW versus paleo/primal arguments on almost all nutrition/diet/weight loss forums.

                It's not a question so much as a rant.
                what is there to follow?

                one is right, the other wrong. follow arguments all you want, but this is waste of time.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by dado View Post
                  what is there to follow?

                  one is right, the other wrong. follow arguments all you want, but this is waste of time.
                  Um no actually it's called keeping up with what's going on culturally. Some people don't like to fight but I'm pretty fierce so it's a natural activity for me.

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                  • #10
                    The reason they haven't figured it out is because they are afflicted by cake brain.
                    In all of the universe there is only one person with your exact charateristics. Just like there is only one person with everybody else's characteristics. Effectively, your uniqueness makes you pretty average.

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                    • #11
                      "Dado" is this forum's Devil's Advocate. It's cute that he likes to comment on everyone's thread, but there's no reason to pay any attention to what he says. Kind of like Grandpa Simpson:

                      Originally posted by Abe Simpson
                      To my son Homer... (Homer says Woohoo!) ...and his entire family... (D'oh!) ...I leave these: a box of mint-condition 1918 liberty-head silver dollars. You see, back in those days, rich men would ride around in Zeppelins, dropping coins on people, and one day I seen J.D. Rockefeller flying by. So I run of the house with a big washtub and... hey! Where are you going? (in the car) Anyway, about my washtub. I'd just used it that morning to wash my turkey, which in those days was known as... (cut to mall) ...a walking-bird. We'd always have walking-bird on Thanksgiving, with all the trimmings: cranberries, injun eyes, yams stuffed with gunpowder. Then we'd all watch football, which in those days was called baseball...

                      (later) Eh, why didn't you get something useful, like storm windows, or a nice pipe organ? I'm thirsty! Ew, what smells like mustard? There sure are a lot of ugly people in your neighborhood. Ooh, look at that one. Ow, my glaucoma just got worse. The president is a Democrat! Hello? I can't unbuckle my seat belt. Hello? (honks car horn) (entering the house) There are too many leaves in your walkway...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sketcha View Post
                        "Dado" is this forum's Devil's Advocate. It's cute that he likes to comment on everyone's thread, but there's no reason to pay any attention to what he says. Kind of like Grandpa Simpson:
                        Dado is my favorite voice around here. He amuses but also has substance. Search for the thread where a young kid is looking for help finding discipline. You will better appreciate Dado.

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                        • #13
                          You would have a greater sense of urgency if you were a 5' 3" woman who weighed 245 lbs. A woman (or man) who desperately wants to lose 100 lbs. will scrutinize their weight loss program and agonize over the smallest set-back. You're in you "skinny" jeans so... you aren't desperate. Nothing complicated. Since you're active on many boards, I suggest you show some compassion.

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                          • #14
                            My theory is with CW is that it works, but only partially. Limiting calories automatically limits carbs. If you exercise enough, you will burn enough glucose so that fat-burning can begin; eg high-carb athletes like Mark had been. If you want to lose 70 pounds, and if you have the willpower, yes, CW will lose 50 of those pounds. But CW doesn't work for everyone (maybe some folks are more prone to wheat addiction?), and it doesn't work for the final poundage.

                            But because CW works for MANY people for MOST of the weight, it's hard to discount it. Add in some childhood brainwashing (we all had it), some well-placed marketing pivoting from WonderBread to "heart-healthy whole grains," and it's easy to see why the public can't let go of CW.

                            And besides, a significant part of the population believes that Grok rode a T-rex to church on Sunday to partake of the Bread of Christ. What do you say to them?
                            5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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                            • #15
                              I say to them "I am Vulgaris Magistralis"...Then hit them with my club!
                              Free your mind, and your Grok will follow!

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