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    Ok
    I am quite confused by all I see and hear about Hashimotos.

    My doctor says that you cannot lower antibodies.
    She says that one must wait until thyroid is destroyed and TSH hormones go up before using hormone treatment.
    i.e. No way to reverse or slow it.

    I am currently paleo for 3 months, feel great.
    I take selenium and vitamin d3 and digestive enzymes.

    Here are my stats:

    TWH 2.32
    T4 1.8
    T3 3

    THYROGLOBULIN ANTIBODIES 27 H
    THYROID PEROXIDASE >1000 H

    I am going to be retested in a few months.
    What can be done to lower/reverse the the immune response and are these hormone levels good for now?
    An optimist is someone who falls off the Empire State Building, and after 50 floors says, 'So far so good!'
    -Somebody funny

  • #2
    What???? Find a new doc quickly!!! When you remove the foods w/ lectins, the body stops fighting them and attacking the thyroid (at least that's my experience) and you can start to heal. You may need some T4 or T3 replacement to keep levels where you feel well and can function. What about your selenium and iodine levels - also important for thyroid function. Keep learning on your own and find what works for you.

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    • #4
      I was just at the Endocrinologist with my wife last week. This Dr told my wife the same thing. She stated that her thyroid will eventually cease to function and there was absolutely nothing she can do about it. I asked some key questions, like: What triggers the autoimmune response? She told me that it is just “something that happens” and there is nothing you can do about it. I asked if there was anything she could have done to prevent it. The Dr. said no. Personally I think that is complete BS.

      I have done a decent amount of research on Hashimoto’s and from what I’ve read, if you stop the issue that is causing the antibody attack you can stop the destruction of your thyroid…and you may even be able to reverse the damage if your thyroid isn’t already too far gone.

      Here is a great book to read: “Why Do I Still Have Thyroid Symptoms? When My Lab Tests Are Normal: A Revolutionary Breakthrough In Understanding Hashimoto’s Disease and Hypothyroidism” by Dr. K

      From my understanding you must COMPLETELY remove gluten from your life (not just food, but there is gluten in healthcare products as well). Then you must heal leaky gut (proper nutrition and supplements). My wife started completely removing gluten today. She is taking more vitamin D, B12, and probiotics.
      Last edited by JVib; 01-18-2012, 02:54 PM.
      "You have succeeded in life when all you really want is only what you really need." ~ Vernon Howard

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      • #5
        Check your adrenals, too. Adrenal fatigue can put more stress on your thyroid, and if you don't fix the underlying adrenal issue, it's near to impossible to fix your thyroid.

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        • #6
          Thirding the Dr. K book (though JVib above quoted the wrong author). My mom's hypothyroid and lupus go into remission without animal protein (she still loves meat, but cheats with it leave her in pain). Going mostly grain-free relieved her chest pains (she has lung scarring and a genetic bronchial defect).

          For me, primal made a huge improvement in my hypothyroid symptoms and general inflammation, but I have to be gluten free, dairy/casein free, and soy free in addition to no nightshades. If they slide into my 20%, I WILL pay for it. Gluten is on my NEVER CHEAT WITH list, and dairy ought to be, but that is so damned hard.

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          • #7
            Originally posted by JVib View Post
            I asked some key questions, like: What triggers the autoimmune response? She told me that it is just “something that happens” and there is nothing you can do about it.
            This is unfortunately all too common. I've never had a doctor tell me WHY my thyroid died; even the endocrinologist just spat back the "something that happens" line of reasoning. I always found this unsatisfactory, and I've been to at least five doctors since I was diagnosed ten years ago. My mom, sister, and grandfather (on my dad's side) all have/had hypothyroidism, and the catch-all "it just happens" logic seems to me to be the opposite of what good medicine should be -- boundless curiosity to figure out why people are getting sick.

            I'm attempting a full elimination diet. So far the only change I've noticed is my seasonal allergies are slo-o-o-owly clearing up. I don't think at this point there's any salvaging my thyroid. Too many years under attack. Alas.
            Steph
            My Primal Meanderings

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            • #8
              Here is the Ultimate Help for Hashimotos and any other Thyroid problems:
              Iodine - The Misunderstood Nutrient (David Brownstein) - Full Length - YouTube

              This video is a MUST SEE for everyone on the Paleo Diet !
              Grizz

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              • #9
                Your doctor is a dips***. Antibodies CAN be lowered if you eliminate gluten. It has happened with both me and my daughter (we have Hashi's). I second the recommendation for the Stop the Thyroid Madness site. I'm still in process working through the recommendations there, but already have made huge progress in treating my thyroid disease that CW failed to do.

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                • #10
                  Eileen,

                  I don't like your site, Stop the Thyroid Madness because it immediately jumps into blood testing & drugs to TREAT the symptoms. Dr. David Brownstein has superior information because he goes after the source of the problem which is insufficient iodine in our diet. Fix the insufficient iodine & cure the diseases. IMO, Better to cure a disease than to treat it.. THIS is exactly what is wrong with doctors today. . . . TREAT the symptoms instead of a plan to cure the underlying problems.

                  Your Thyroid Madness site does recommend this site which is far better IMO, Iodine4Health:
                  Iodine

                  So I say follow Dr. David Brownstein and his approach to supplement with required iodine for good health and if that FAILS, then it is time for doctors & their drugs. This reminds me of Diabetes. We can treat Diabetes with drugs, are we can cure it with diet & exercise. I prefer the dietary cure over treatment with expensive drugs.

                  You just can't call Dr. Brownstein a DipS*** because he has many years of valuable experience and is a professional with sound advice. You cannot dismiss everything he says. In his seminar, he does request patients to eliminate gluten. Did you even watch his entire seminar? I have been researching iodine for months, and I can verify his seminar is mostly accurate, the best I've seen so far.

                  EDIT:
                  This just came in... Dr. Kruse on Hashi:
                  http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...tml#post685919

                  Grizz
                  Last edited by Grizz; 01-18-2012, 09:15 AM.

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                  • #11
                    Yes, Glutathione is definitely a key in conquering Hashi's -- that's why I prefer Dr. K's book as opposed to Stop the Thyroid Madness. The latter is a good first step to be sure you're getting the right tests. The former gives you underlying information about treating Hashi's from an autoimmune angle. Much more effective. I personally worked with someone who uses his protocol and I've definitely seen improvement (lower antibodies, feeling better, better digestion, etc). I'm still using the Oxicell cream (glutathione) among other things and hope to improve even more!

                    Grizz, I'm still wary of iodine supplementation for Hashi's. I've seen good points for and against, and I'm just not convinced either are right.

                    Edit: Dammit Grizz, now I'm at work spending time researching iodine supplementation and Hashi's in reference to TH1 or TH2 dominance instead of working. Thanks a lot...
                    Last edited by kkratz57; 01-18-2012, 11:58 AM.

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                    • #12
                      I, too, am wary of iodine for Hashi's. When I get my thyroid and adrenals back on track, only then will I throw that into the mix. I tried Dr K's protocol, and it helped a tiny bit, but I didn't make significant progress against my disease until I began working the steps advocated by Stop the Thyroid Madness. Perhaps it's because I went undiagnosed for 20+ years, thanks to clueless, arrogant, ignorant doctors.

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                      • #13
                        @kkratz,
                        Dammit Grizz, now I'm at work spending time researching iodine supplementation and Hashi's in reference to TH1 or TH2 dominance instead of working. Thanks a lot..
                        So Sorry for disrupting your work. Please let us know what you discover. I am LOVING this site on Iodine.

                        This just came up. WHAT IS THE THYROID? WHY THE THYROID?
                        Iodine is necessary for the thyroid gland's proper performance of its work. All the blood in the body passes through the thyroid gland every 17 minutes. Because the cells making up this gland have an affinity for iodine, during this 17-minute passage the gland's secretion of iodine kills weak germs that may have gained entry into the blood through an injury to the skin, the lining of nose or throat, or through absorption of food from the digestive tract. Strong, virulent germs are rendered weaker during their passage through the thyroid gland. With each 17 minutes that rolls around they are made still weaker until finally they are killed if the gland has its normal supply of iodine. If it does not, it cannot kill harmful germs circulating in the blood as Nature intended it should.
                        Now we know. WAY Cool!
                        Grizz

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                        • #14
                          I wouldn't do iodine- I have Hashi's and before I was diagnosed, a nurse practitioner had me on Iodoral, but it didn't improve my symptoms and possibly made them worse. There are studies that show complete remission and disappearance of antibodies with strict iodine avoidance. Some Hashi's people can do iodine, but only after their selenium status is good.
                          Being strictly gluten free, getting on Dr. Kharrazian's immune balancing protocol, adrenal support and neurotransmitter support were what helped me.

                          I highly recommend finding a functional health practitioner trained in Dr. K's protocols, even if you have to work with them long distance. Some Hashi's patients can completely avoid meds if they are treated properly early enough (some do need meds in addition to immune balancing, because the gland is too damaged to work anymore). The most important thing is to realize that Hashi's isn't a thyroid disease, but an immune system disease and must be treated as such (meds alone are not enough) because there is a high chance of developing additional autoimmune disorders down the road.
                          Last edited by hazyjane; 01-18-2012, 08:28 PM.
                          http://www.prettyinprimal.blogspot.com

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                          • #15
                            Thanks for that insight. I'm trying the elimination protocol and it honestly sucks. (Tomatoes -- why'd it have to be tomatoes?) I doubt at this point there's any salvaging my thyroid. I wish I could find a local functional doc who doesn't sound like a nutcase on their website.
                            Steph
                            My Primal Meanderings

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