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  • Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
    some women feel immediately better after the mirena comes out, while others seem to have some pretty bad withdrawal symptoms. hard to believe i can feel much worse than i already do, but am steeling myself just in case.

    ffs, i weigh 10 pounds more today than i did just 8 days ago. my boobs are like cartoons.

    my doctors are all through mass general hospital, so i've compiled a list of other mgh docs who specialize in some of the things i do and might need. will try tomorrow to find out how soon anybody can see me. the guy i have now is just super young -- enthusiastic, but simply lacks experience. if all i needed was a pap, i wouldn't care but i need somebody with stones and empathy.

    am generally happy and full of life myself. this last year i don't even know who this person is wearing my shoes.
    I understand going through doctors with no answers. I have been experiencing dizziness and extreme fatigue for about 4 years now. I have been to several doctors - general practitioners and speciliasts, even a guy who is "the dizzy doctor" in Chicago. But nobody can find anything that also responds to treatment. So I've given up and just hope that some day with proper nutrition my body will snap out of it. I go through periods of major depression where I think often about running away from my life because it's just too much to handle with the near constant dizziness.

    Good luck on finding some answers!

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    • I sent my boyfriend a bunch of PDFs I downloaded from Loren Cordain's Paleo Diet website. My boyfriend would hate Mark's diet book style of writing. He thinks I am crazy with all the fat I eat (it's really not any more than him, just it's not "lite" Pam cooking spray or "healthy" canola oil.) Anyway, I thought since Cordain's writing agrees with a low fat, low salt paradigm it would make more sense to my boyfriend. I think he actually did like the PDFs! I waited almost a year to send my BF any info because I knew he wasn't in a receptive state. But he confided a laundry list of symptoms the other day which I took to be a cry for help because he's not the type to do that sort of thing. He made eggs, pancetta and mushrooms for breakfast this morning instead of his usual honey-flavored yogurt with tart cherry juice. I think he has major IBS on top of his other stuff so I sent him the gut sense website, too. I sure hope he tries this stuff. It's painful to watch him suffer and not help, just watch.
      Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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      • my b/f (of 10 years) will be 53 this year. he was a lean, mean soccer machine when i met him, with a 6-pack. he was in amazing shape for a guy his age. he's not fat but now he's got a gut and snores like a chainsaw many nights. he also rarely gets enough sleep.

        he simply will not give up his white bread, cheerios or heaven forfend the beer. lol. even though he admits my health has obviously improved since ditching grains a few years ago. he refuses to believe that lack of sleep may add to weigh gain.

        some folks can't be told, ya know.

        good luck with yours.
        As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

        Ernest Hemingway

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        • So - interesting post by Mark today Finally something that says okay maybe men and women really do respond to all this differently! DUH!
          1. Love ME no matter what noises are screaming at me, or who is trying to tear me down.
          2. Eat to heal
          3. Move to live
          4. Embrace today
          5. Live with intention
          6. Respect my body
          7. Cultivate joy
          8. Find my passion
          9. Meditate on peace in my soul

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          • My sleep has been sooooo good lately. I continue to wake up refreshed before 6 without an alarm.

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            • Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
              some women feel immediately better after the mirena comes out, while others seem to have some pretty bad withdrawal symptoms. hard to believe i can feel much worse than i already do, but am steeling myself just in case.

              ffs, i weigh 10 pounds more today than i did just 8 days ago. my boobs are like cartoons.

              my doctors are all through mass general hospital, so i've compiled a list of other mgh docs who specialize in some of the things i do and might need. will try tomorrow to find out how soon anybody can see me. the guy i have now is just super young -- enthusiastic, but simply lacks experience. if all i needed was a pap, i wouldn't care but i need somebody with stones and empathy.

              am generally happy and full of life myself. this last year i don't even know who this person is wearing my shoes.
              Ok - I've been lurking, but this conversation about Mirena/IUDs caught my attention... I thought many women preferred this BC, and I was considering it for after I have my baby. I had previously been taking the pill (um, surprise, it didn't work) and felt pretty crummy on it. Wondering what other options there are out there that won't mess up my body any more than it has been in the past. Or would you all recommend the natural way - charting, etc? Sorry, I've never really heard much except positive reviews of Mirena, so am very curious about your experiences!

              Maybe I should introduce myself, I'm Jen - 36, former Chicagoan, living in WY in the foothills of the Wind River Range, love to hike, bike & be outside in the sunshine. About 9 months pregnant. Was overweight most of my adult life, after having been the "too skinny" girl through high school. My senior year in HS, I gained weight so fast that I got stretch marks and have not been able to control it until the past year or two.

              Along with getting to a healthy weight, I have healed a lot of my health issues in the past with primal eating (brain fog, migraines, urticaria/dermographism, numbness in extremities, IBS, the list is longer but I can't remember everything now!) I still have hypothyroidism after a bout of subacute thyroiditis, along with blood markers for Sjogrens. I was working on those issues until I got pregnant... will resume once this little guy is out on his own.

              I love that there are women of all ages on here helping each other out... you all give me hope for humanity!
              Jen, former Midwesterner, living in the middle of nowhere.

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              • jen, i have friends who have done very well with the mirena. it was a miserable experience for me. awful. had it out yesterday and am down 4 pounds. i had been sobbing nearly non-stop for 5 days and haven't cried since i left the doctor's office.

                have you looked into the copper iud? hormone-free.
                As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

                Ernest Hemingway

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                • Wow, noodletoy, that sounds horrible... and removing it had such a dramatic and immediate effect on you. Glad you are feeling so much better now!

                  i had read that the copper IUD is more likely to cause increased cramping & menstrual bleeding. The thyroid issues I've had the past few years make TOM pretty crummy, so had hoped to not make it worse. so I had assumed mirena/hormonal IUD was the way to go due to the likelihood that it would have the opposite effect. Maybe I'll have to just see how they go for me... and keep reading in the meantime. I likely have 2-3 more months before I have to decide.

                  Thanks for responding
                  Jen, former Midwesterner, living in the middle of nowhere.

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                  • I love my hormonal IUD ! It has different hormones as most pills and my body does well on it for over 8 years (this is my 2nd). My niece on the other hand, found it to be horrible and she really tried for 5 months, so i guess it really depends on the person.

                    That said, everybody experiences a transition period with the first IUD that might be hard. i also experienced cramps, ongoing blood loss and weight gain during the first month, but it disappeared during the 2nd month. I guess you can't know beforehand if you are one of the lucky or unlucky ones in this respect.

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                    • Originally posted by tomi View Post
                      So - interesting post by Mark today Finally something that says okay maybe men and women really do respond to all this differently! DUH!
                      Indeed. Also indicating that there's a wider spectrum of responses between individual women. It's good stuff.
                      F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                      • Jen,
                        I have heard great and horrible stories about Mirena. Are you planning to breastfeed? You may be lucky and not get your period for 1+years. I was unlucky and mine returned at 9-10 weeks both times. On the bright side, my periods are much lighter with less painful cramping (used to throw-up due to the pain). Between kids we tracked periods and used condoms. I refused to do any hormones since I was breastfeeding. After DS when we both decided we were ready, DH got a vasectomy. No more worries for either of us, YAY.
                        If you do get the Mirena, just watch yourself closely for mood changes.

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                        • teach2183, yes I'm planning to breastfeed, but am not sure about relying on that to not get preggo again. Good point about avoiding hormones while still breastfeeding - that's something I'd rather not feed my kid. Perhaps I should think again about the copper one or use another method until little guy is onto full solid foods.

                          Thanks Sihana & halfbunny for your responses too - It seems the experience is totally different for everyone, and I may just need to wait and see how these work for me.

                          Geez - now if only I could get my bread-loving boyfriend to consider going primal, even a little. He loves when I cook something like spinach-stuffed chicken wrapped in bacon (with potatoes), but he prefers most of his food in sandwich or burrito form. No talking him out of it.
                          Jen, former Midwesterner, living in the middle of nowhere.

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                          • Originally posted by Jen AlcesAlces View Post
                            Sorry, I've never really heard much except positive reviews of Mirena, so am very curious about your experiences!
                            I've had mine for 6 1/2 years now and I absolutely love it! Keep in mind that I'm at a little bit different stage in my life, and it is very different for everyone.

                            I was just starting to go through menopause and, according to my doc, some women don't taper off on their menstrual flow, they get heavier. Yea for me! I'm special! It got so bad that I was going through a Super Plus tampon in 20 or 30 minutes, ****TMI WARNING**** I was getting clots the size of my thumb and my periods were lasting about a week instead of 3 or 4 days. Pretty awful.

                            They were considering an endometrial ablation, and the doc said they should tie my tubes at the same time because an ectopic pregnancy would be more likely and pretty dangerous. But being an HMO, there was a month wait after the mandatory uterine biopsy. During that time, I did some research and found a really good quality progesterone cream (some are just crap) and he talked to his partner whose patients that just loved Mirena, so we went with that instead.

                            I cramped for a couple of days, and it wasn't just a little. After that, I had very light periods for a few months (almost more like spotting) and then I haven't had a period since. Seriously, I love it!

                            I have heard of some people that really got sick from it. It's not for everyone. I hadn't heard anything about problems after removing it until now. I will say that the actual removal process is considerably more uncomfortable than the insertion process, which is a lot like a typical pap smear.

                            I have another 3 1/2 years until this one needs to be removed. I probably won't replace it unless I start to have issues again, but I would hope that I would be over it since that will be 10 years since I got the first one. It's not that I don't like it - I love it - but I just dont' think I'll have the need for it.
                            Durp.

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                            • Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
                              Indeed. Also indicating that there's a wider spectrum of responses between individual women. It's good stuff.
                              Yes, that was an interesting post by Mark and long overdue, IMO. I wonder if Carrie had anything to do with it.

                              And, yes, as is evident on this thread, just because we are all women doesn't mean we don't have differences. I would think the main ones would be age (i.e pre or post menopausal) and also body fat content. Probably activity level as well.

                              I may be some kind of genetic freak but I never had cramps or PMS back in the day and I never had any symptoms of menopause. I feel left out of the discussion sometimes.

                              About the birth control discussion, if I had it to do over again, I wouldn't take the pill for 15 years like I did. I don't know if that was a factor in getting breast cancer or not, but I would err on the side of caution there if I had a time machine.

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                              • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                                About the birth control discussion, if I had it to do over again, I wouldn't take the pill for 15 years like I did. I don't know if that was a factor in getting breast cancer or not, but I would err on the side of caution there if I had a time machine.
                                I was on a fairly high dose (I think my doc back then was a fan of overkill and I was... stupid) and when I went off it to have my son, I was surprised to have no symptoms at all.

                                3 months later, I got slammed.

                                It's a little scary to think that stuff is still running around in your system for 3 months after you stop using it. I never had breast cancer, but I do get benign tumors (breast, shoulder and even one on my face). Biopsies suck, but at least I've been lucky so far.
                                Durp.

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