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  • Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
    have been lurking on this thread for a while myself.

    loved ladygrok's story and for once it doesn't measure success with a six-pack!

    (snip)

    a few weeks ago, i started fasting and did some serious calorie restriction. in 2 weeks i had dropped 7 or so pounds. this week, which is the one where i should be having my period, i am way back up in my weight, even though i am having no other menstrual symptoms. and, my b/f is on me again because i look terrible. he has no idea how very much worse i feel. while he is willing to concede that "some" of my issues may be hormone-related, he just thinks more exercise will cure everything.

    my annual gyno exam is on monday and will make him remove the iud.

    i feel so helpless at the hands of my hormones and just do NOT know what to do. my doctor and gyno both suck, my long-term doctor retired awhile back. though still fairly young, she had been hmo'd to death. so i no longer feel like i have a health-care advocate. i feel lost.
    Welcome- and thanks for your kind comments about my story!

    It sounds like you recently changed your diet pretty dramatically. When I first started PB-ing, and again at the beginning of this year, when I cut carbs drastically- My cycles got weird. Super weird. Specifically, what was typically a textbook 28 day tour stretched out to 50, 55 days. Eventually, it self-regulated back to "normal." Your body may be trying to process everything and catch up, but you are right to be concerned, as there are a lot of variables at work here.

    Please don't beat yourself up about your weight- my guess is that the gyno visit may clear some things up- either figuring out if there is a problem, or putting your mind at ease that there isn't. It sounds like your hormonal levels are going haywire. The IUD removal sounds like a good idea to me, too. Hang in there! I know, that helpless feeling is the worst.

    In the meantime, you need to find a new doctor. Have you gone to an endocrinologist, or considered a naturopath? (I know, granola crunchy, but can't help it- I'm from California!) There is a list of Paleo/Primal-friendly practitioners around here somewhere. Please let us know how your appointment goes!
    With Mark's help, I've conquered depression, acne, rosacea, scale obsession, migraines, and lethargy. Who knows what tomorrow will bring?

    http://www.theladygrok.blogspot.com/

    My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread8215.html

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    • thank you.

      i had been eating very clean low-carb for a bit over a year before things went off the rails. definitely age-related hormonal issues, rather than caused by my eating.

      have considered a naturopath, but don't know anybody who sees one. just picking one at random is like throwing darts blind-folded. lol.
      As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

      Ernest Hemingway

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      • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
        I keep reading the comments. A LOT of us have had the same stuff happen.(snip)

        It's like there's this whole secret world of suffering out there that the entire medical profession has absolutely no awareness of.
        Honestly, that was the most shocking thing for me, too. The comments. I couldn't believe how many women (and a few guys too!) freaked out and said, "Hey, this is me!" If that many women have been struggling with this for decades, and women (for the most part) have been following the advice of their doctors, then it's just been- well, like a conspiracy of willful ignorance on the part of the medical profession. We've meekly done what we were told, and have become fatter and sicker, and then been blamed for failure.

        Obviously doctors must have multiple patients with similar issues, and never connected the dots. I think part of it is because inability to lose weight is seen or portrayed as gluttony or moral weakness. So it doesn't get openly talked about- partially because let's face it, at least in my case, I felt/feel ashamed of my inability to control my body, and partially because people who have low self-esteem/depression are a lot less likely to stand up for themselves and say, "HEY! Your crappy advice and refusal to believe me are interfering with my quality of life!" Also, being a lady makes you much more unlikely to want to rock the boat. And- weight is so stigmatized and personal, and you blame yourself.

        And honestly- I just thought that all my "before" problems were normal, and I got dealt a crappy hand, health-wise. I was completely gob-smacked when I cut out grains and learned that wasn't the case.

        Thank you for your compliments! LOL- on the 1950's thing- As a teen, I used to look at cheesecake pics of the starlets, and was convinced I had been born in the wrong era. I actually got a hilarious flashback of my family's trip to Hawaii when I was 12. Japanese tourists kept pulling me aside to take pictures with me, and my family was a little freaked out and a LOT confused. We finally understood when one family managed to explain that they thought I looked like Brooke Shields! I don't see the resemblance myself, (I wish!)except for the coloring, but hey.
        With Mark's help, I've conquered depression, acne, rosacea, scale obsession, migraines, and lethargy. Who knows what tomorrow will bring?

        http://www.theladygrok.blogspot.com/

        My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread8215.html

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        • Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
          thank you.

          i had been eating very clean low-carb for a bit over a year before things went off the rails. definitely age-related hormonal issues, rather than caused by my eating.

          have considered a naturopath, but don't know anybody who sees one. just picking one at random is like throwing darts blind-folded. lol.
          Gotcha. I do see one- he is at least supportive and listens to me, which is (sadly) a novel and rewarding experience. I actually found mine on yelp.com- which is great for finding "regular" doctors too, by the way.

          Here's the link to Paleo Physicians Network- http://paleophysiciansnetwork.com/

          I clicked around a bit. It looks like there are lots of docs in your area, but a LOT of them are chiropractors. There was one option I clicked on that looked good. I mean, her name is Dr. Ronda Rockett, which sounds like a bada$$ Crossfitting lady superhero who fights crime and wears a jet pack. I don't advocate choosing a doc based on name alone (this is where crosschecking on Yelp comes in handy), but come on, being able to say that you are "going to see Dr. Rockett" just opens up a world of comedic potential! There are a few naturopaths in there too. Good luck!
          Last edited by Lady Grok; 06-16-2012, 11:46 AM. Reason: to add link!
          With Mark's help, I've conquered depression, acne, rosacea, scale obsession, migraines, and lethargy. Who knows what tomorrow will bring?

          http://www.theladygrok.blogspot.com/

          My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread8215.html

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          • Originally posted by noodletoy View Post

            last year, my period started going kaplooey. some days so bad i was afraid to leave the house. grapefruit-sized clots sploshing on the floor. i became badly anemic. back and forth with a few doctors and had a mirena iud put in. friends have it and love it. at 47, i am peri-menopasual so was hoping i could just ride everything out for the 5-year lifespan of the device.

            the first couple months were ok and the heavy bleeding/cramping, thankfully, went away. however, my body shape and composition began to change at about the 4-month mark. these last 2 months, i do not even recognize myself. somebody posted a pic of me on facebook and i am a fat lady. none of my summer clothes from last year fit. i weighed 169 pounds this morning. my entire midsection is bloated and fat. my muscle tone has disappeared.
            Have you been checked for fibroids? These symptoms are pretty common in women with utirine fibroids.
            I was diagnosed with a very large one about 4 months ago so have been doing a lot of research on them, some drs estimate as mush as 50% or higher of women get them but often they remain small, however if they get bigger or badly situated they can seriously screw with your cycle, cause bleeding & cramps etc etc.
            If your going to the Gyno soon you might want to ask about getting checked. (they did a ultrasound to check me) adding an iud might effect it although ive no exsperience with that.
            Every time I hear the dirty word 'exercise', I wash my mouth out with chocolate.

            http://primaldog.blogspot.co.uk/

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            • thanks for your google-fu!

              yeah, friend moved and picked her gyn out of the directory because his name was james fitzgerald. she was expecting a cute lil irish guy, but instead got a guy who looked just like barry white!

              yeah, boston is thick with doctors, but finding a good one is a whole other thing.
              As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

              Ernest Hemingway

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              • Originally posted by DinoHunter View Post
                Have you been checked for fibroids? These symptoms are pretty common in women with utirine fibroids.
                thank you, yes, i am fibroid-free. that was checked before they could place the iud.
                As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

                Ernest Hemingway

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                • Oh & Hi everyone
                  Suppose I should into myself while im here.
                  As mentioned above I was dionosed with a 8cm fibroid about 4 months ago wich sent me looking for natural ways of dealing with it as id rather not be sliced open like a trout which is of course what the drs tend to recomend although mine was ok with me looking into alternitives first (Or maybe its just that I dident give her the option)
                  So In my searching I ran across MDA and it made sense to me.
                  Ive always eaten pretty healthy compared to CW (which i never really bought into) so ditching the grains wasent that big a deal & I hardly ever did prossesed food so even less of a issue.
                  Ive allways been the "solid" type(I think its generally reffered to as Amazonian LOL) so size 0 is never gonna be in my future but I have dropped a size since starting 2 months ago & lost at least 4" off my belly wich means I had to punch a couple new holes in my belt.
                  Helps that Hubbys been very supportive (& Dosent hurt that hes also lost 2 sizes)
                  Will be intesting to see whats changed when I go back to the dr in sept(?) to see what the situation is.
                  I am doing other things to aside from the changes to diet. ie iodine protocal, acupuncture (pin guy thinks there has been some small shrinkage although its not something thats easy to gauge) & some other stuff i cant remember the names of at the moment.
                  Every time I hear the dirty word 'exercise', I wash my mouth out with chocolate.

                  http://primaldog.blogspot.co.uk/

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                  • Originally posted by Lady Grok View Post
                    Honestly, that was the most shocking thing for me, too. The comments. I couldn't believe how many women (and a few guys too!) freaked out and said, "Hey, this is me!" If that many women have been struggling with this for decades, and women (for the most part) have been following the advice of their doctors, then it's just been- well, like a conspiracy of willful ignorance on the part of the medical profession.
                    was reading an article today about statins and a doctor said something like, "well, men and women are the same biologically..." gaaaah. yes, we both are human and have hearts.

                    most weight loss and exercise studies are done on men. not all the data obtained applies to everybody, ya know?
                    As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

                    Ernest Hemingway

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                    • Originally posted by noodletoy View Post


                      yeah, boston is thick with doctors, but finding a good one is a whole other thing.
                      try paleophysiciansnetwork.com. You can put in your location and any physicians who follow paleo will pop up for you to check out.
                      Female 55
                      Starting wt: 198, Goal: 135, Current with PB: 165
                      Started at a size 16 down to loose 10

                      With PB my asthma has improved, low back pain is gone, & I've got more energy

                      My Primal Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread60175.html

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                      • Originally posted by Lady Grok View Post
                        I couldn't believe how many women (and a few guys too!) freaked out and said, "Hey, this is me!" If that many women have been struggling with this for decades, and women (for the most part) have been following the advice of their doctors, then it's just been- well, like a conspiracy of willful ignorance on the part of the medical profession. We've meekly done what we were told, and have become fatter and sicker, and then been blamed for failure.
                        I think some of us never said anything to our doctors. I mean, what would I say? I thought I was normal. In fact, I would explain to my boyfriends that it sucks to be female because being female felt like swimming through molasses every minute of your life. I remember reading once about a woman who had a sex change operation and she said that when she took the testosterone it was like waking up from a dream and feeling full of energy and strength. So I figured all women felt like me and just some of them were better at pushing through it to be more active and thinner than me. Even I could push through it sometimes.

                        Hey noodletoy I know you said they checked you for fibroids, but I had the same big lumps of stuff come out of me because of a small fibroid. I had a huge fibroid the size of a grapefruit in the uterine wall and a smaller one inside my uterus. The smaller one caused all the clots. I would stand in the shower and try to push them all out (sorry, gross.) Once I noticed a huge one stuck to my chair and my waistband while sitting at my desk. Oh god the horror. The fibroids were never looked for or maybe just never detected or perhaps weren't even there before I got my IUD. They were found a few years after it was removed. When I got the IUD I bled for 45 days straight before I finally went back in and asked for help. They gave me pills to make me normal again and they worked and I was normal for a few years, until the fibroids. I don't know if the IUD gave me the fibroids or if they were already there or what. I couldn't believe that I had never felt the grapefruit one, but once the doctor pointed it out I could feel it with my hand and I could feel it as I did various activities. Anyway, it's worth it to have your gyno take another look at you.
                        Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                        • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                          I couldn't believe that I had never felt the grapefruit one, but once the doctor pointed it out I could feel it with my hand and I could feel it as I did various activities. Anyway, it's worth it to have your gyno take another look at you.
                          I dident notice mine until a few weeks before I was diognosed with the 8cm one (they class that as equal to a 6 month pregnancy for size) I noticed when laying on my stomach that it sorta felt like I was laying on something like a pencil .. was into my chiro shortly after and mentioned it to her so she checked and pointed out that I had a 15cm mass that I needed to get checked ASAP (Fluid & swelling causes it to take up more room than the actual fibroid itself)
                          How did I never notice that?
                          She did tell me it was most likely a fibroid so I was able to start doing some research bofore the dr diagnosed it for sure but I had no other symptoms from it so never realized there was an issue before that. Lucky though as from what ive seen, even the small ones can cause some really nasty symptoms.
                          I blame 10 years on BCP... well maybe not compleatly but im sure it was a contributing factor.
                          Every time I hear the dirty word 'exercise', I wash my mouth out with chocolate.

                          http://primaldog.blogspot.co.uk/

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                          • Originally posted by noodletoy View Post


                            i feel so helpless at the hands of my hormones and just do NOT know what to do. my doctor and gyno both suck, my long-term doctor retired awhile back. though still fairly young, she had been hmo'd to death. so i no longer feel like i have a health-care advocate. i feel lost.
                            I went on a sort of menopausal state during my twenties (hormones being removed by the therapy and cholesterol being kept excessively low) so for the sake of my bones doctors decided to get me on Diane. I got depressed and I'm just not used to it as long as I wake up happy every single day of my life (if I'm not doing hormones). It is not easy, not even a bit -I had to fully concentrate on avoiding rants as long as I was never sure if it was about people pissing me off or hormones keeping me pissed off at everything.

                            The time I went hormone replacement free (diane or progesterone or whatever else they've tried) I felt better, maybe if you quit you'll start feeling better and find yourself in a better situation in order to choose what to do. Personally I keep my heavy bleeding/cramping as long as I never get to feel depressed like that anymore: I can stand a moderately disastrous day as long as I can get my happy everyday life.

                            Is it possible for you to find a new doctor? Someone who understands how bad it is for most of us to go under replacement/suppression therapies? Because for cramping you can always go B vitamin, magnesium, herbs and FANS and for the bleeding there are other things to contemplate and some of them even work (you gotta say that when you talk about CW and medical care).
                            No limits, only my will and the worlds I build.

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                            • some women feel immediately better after the mirena comes out, while others seem to have some pretty bad withdrawal symptoms. hard to believe i can feel much worse than i already do, but am steeling myself just in case.

                              ffs, i weigh 10 pounds more today than i did just 8 days ago. my boobs are like cartoons.

                              my doctors are all through mass general hospital, so i've compiled a list of other mgh docs who specialize in some of the things i do and might need. will try tomorrow to find out how soon anybody can see me. the guy i have now is just super young -- enthusiastic, but simply lacks experience. if all i needed was a pap, i wouldn't care but i need somebody with stones and empathy.

                              am generally happy and full of life myself. this last year i don't even know who this person is wearing my shoes.
                              As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

                              Ernest Hemingway

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                              • Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
                                some women feel immediately better after the mirena comes out, while others seem to have some pretty bad withdrawal symptoms. hard to believe i can feel much worse than i already do, but am steeling myself just in case.

                                ffs, i weigh 10 pounds more today than i did just 8 days ago. my boobs are like cartoons.

                                my doctors are all through mass general hospital, so i've compiled a list of other mgh docs who specialize in some of the things i do and might need. will try tomorrow to find out how soon anybody can see me. the guy i have now is just super young -- enthusiastic, but simply lacks experience. if all i needed was a pap, i wouldn't care but i need somebody with stones and empathy.

                                am generally happy and full of life myself. this last year i don't even know who this person is wearing my shoes.
                                Totally relate to that, my marriage went out of the window -and looking at my ex husband son I know it was a good thing, such a wondrous thing love is- but it would have been all much more simpler without the swelling, the bleeding, the anemia, the pain (I don't even have boobs how can they hurt, damnit) insomnia and anxious constant pressure (plus feeling bad, ugly and alone).
                                The thing is even the sweetest guy can't really understand, not unless they get themselves a six month hormonal treatment. They read a lot of textbooks and look at their mothers or wives girlfriends sisters daughters and get all those facts in line but there's no way they can really deeply understand how it feels as long as they don't have a hormonal roller-coast messing up their minds bodies and lives.

                                Wish you all the best,

                                Luce
                                No limits, only my will and the worlds I build.

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