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  • I'm feeling better on Ray Peat style primal, have added dairy back. Got up 5-5:30, earliest I've been up in a whille. Think the coconut oil & diet changes are helping my thyroid.

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    • FH, I also feel that it works much better for me when I have dairy in my diet. Too much food groups out and too much limitations seem to be counter-productive to me. Kind of glad to see that I am doing at least something the same way you do. I couldn't follow any other ideas you integrate, unfortunately.
      My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
      When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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      • No offense to you, FH, but those Ray Peat things you've been posting make my head spin. I find those kinds of diet gurus who say BS like "liver is bad unless you eat it after 3pm with orange juice, chicken is bad with the skin but you should add gelatin and traditional people ate it with skin so skin is good for them but bad for you" rub me the wrong way. It's really not that complicated.

        Here's what I do to support my thyroid. It's either total snake oil or totally destructive, I really don't know. So far so good, though. I feel great.

        1. Iodoral, 12.5mg (1 tablet). I was taking 2 tablets but got a rash. It may have been one of those bromide detox rashes. The iodine really does something, it's not snake oil that is for sure.

        2. Over-the-counter dessicated porcine thyroid, 130mg (3 capsules). This one might be totally placebo, but if placebos can do what drugs can do, then I'm all for them. I thought I would give these a try because Canadian natives would seek out moose thyroid at some time of the year and eat it. So a teaspoon of dried pig thyroid certainly can't hurt.

        3. Vitamin D. I think this is good for everything.

        4. Once in a while some brazil nuts. The soil in my area is high in selenium so I probably get plenty from being locavore.

        I've not been diagnosed with a thyroid problem. I've always measured low normal on whatever that worthless test they normally do is. I figured that a little extra support in addition to the healing effects of the paleo diet are probably all that I need for myself.

        Other than that, I eat liberally of all the stuff ray peat says not to and feel great. Especially somewhat fatty cuts of beef, beef liver, lots of pastured eggs, chicken with the skin on, cold water fatty fish, broccoli.

        I feel great and I'm getting more muscular the longer I go on my high protein primal diet. Every now and then I drop a couple of pounds and really like what I see in the mirror. Then the pounds come back , but what I see in the mirror is still not too bad. I'm working on push-ups and the wap-wap is going away which makes me feel more confident (my arms have always been a total embarrassment) which makes me stand up taller which makes me look a lot better. I want to work on pull-ups someday, too.
        Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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        • Funny how differently all our bodies respond to things. One says dairy is helping - others say dairy is a killer! We each need to find our own path as long as it keeps us healthy and lean and strong.

          I bought ground turkey to make burgers for breakfast - thinking it would be a "lean" alternative to bacon. You know, high protein, but not so much fat. Well, maybe if I had bought turkey breast --- but I didn't. A 6 oz cooked patty of my ground turkey is 400 calories with 22 grams of fat and 46 grams of protein. Close to 50% fat - same as bacon. But, no nitrates or nitrites - so I guess it should be better for me in the long run. It tasted really good - fried in olive oil. Tomorrow I'll try frying it in ghee.

          @sbhikes --- I laughed when I read your comment about "wap-wap" -- which I assume is the flabby upper arm thing! I call them "bingo wings" in honor of all our older ladies at the bingo parlors! Got that from a doctor I used to work with in Boise! I need to start doing those essential movements of Marks! That should be a goal for me ---- *adding to list of things to do*.

          I see the doc tomorrow - finally will get the results of my saliva test and see what she thinks about using calcium to control my diarrhea issues. I'm wondering if she will want to do more blood tests to see where the cholesterol levels are now. Better go in fasting just in case.

          Have a great day ladies!
          1. Love ME no matter what noises are screaming at me, or who is trying to tear me down.
          2. Eat to heal
          3. Move to live
          4. Embrace today
          5. Live with intention
          6. Respect my body
          7. Cultivate joy
          8. Find my passion
          9. Meditate on peace in my soul

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          • Originally posted by lil old paleo me View Post
            No amazing metabolism here. I'm 51, post menopausal so.... I have never lost weight or kept it off for years being a slave to calorie counting. Eating totally primal is the only thing that has worked for me so far. I don't count calories at all. Snacks are protein, not carbs. Eat, eat, eat.
            Would you mind posting an average days menu? I'm just very curious how you manage to eat that many calories and not gain weight --- what are you doing for work outs? Have you calculated your calories burned in your workouts? Maybe you are just moving your body enough to manage those high numbers. I walk but not enough to really matter as far as calories go. Biking burns more calories, but I feel I get a better leg and butt workout by walking.

            Thanks............
            1. Love ME no matter what noises are screaming at me, or who is trying to tear me down.
            2. Eat to heal
            3. Move to live
            4. Embrace today
            5. Live with intention
            6. Respect my body
            7. Cultivate joy
            8. Find my passion
            9. Meditate on peace in my soul

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            • Originally posted by nurta View Post
              Wow! glad I found this thread. I usually just peruse the forums here and don't really participate b/c I haven't found a nitche yet but maybe this thread will help
              Nurta - happy to have you join us! And great job on the life change! 30 pounds in 55 days is remarkable! You shouldn't be wanting it to come off any faster than that! Good heavens, I've been at this since November 2011 - and I've only lost 18 pounds! But - I cave in too often to things that are strictly NOT primal. So, my own fault. I just started the Whole30 program/challenge (whatever you want to call it) so I'm hoping I will see a big drop this month.

              Theres lots of good advice and support here..........
              1. Love ME no matter what noises are screaming at me, or who is trying to tear me down.
              2. Eat to heal
              3. Move to live
              4. Embrace today
              5. Live with intention
              6. Respect my body
              7. Cultivate joy
              8. Find my passion
              9. Meditate on peace in my soul

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              • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                I'm sure Paula is a lovely woman and I'm happy for her success, but I hate her success story. She starts as an already perfect-figured woman, points to the puniest little roll of fat she can barely bunch up on her belly--she even has to slouch to get a decent grip on it, then she turns into a body-building model with bigger muscles than a lot of men. I'm sure lots of people want that, but I would like to see someone go from a typical middle-aged, overweight office-worker type to someone who looks like Paula did in her before pictures.
                I agree!

                The number one thing that I would like to see is a success story from a woman that has always been overweight. I have not seen one of those yet, on any site really. I've been overweight since I was around 8 years old. I remember going on my first diet at 9. I've never lost enough weight to be in the healthy weight range for my height, ever. It is extremely depressing, especially since I'm very diligent. I've been successful in basically every other area of my life; I'm not an idiot, so why can't I get this weight thing figured out? It really makes me want to scream (and sometimes I do).

                Before anyone even says it, I know that the BMI chart isn't the end all, be all. I get it. I really don't care what my actual weight is, I care about how I look. The smallest size I've ever worn in my life was a size 10. That fit for about 2 weeks out of my 30 years. I'm back at a 14/16 again now.

                I guess today is just a vent day for me. I'm definitely frustrated. I let PB convince me that I didn't need so much exercise, but that was obviously a mistake. Of course, now I'm following low carb, primal diet and running between 45 and 60 minutes a day, 6 days a week and I have had no results at all. I feel winded climbing frickin' stairs and I'm still between 185 and 190. This sucks, big time.

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                • Nikitakolata ---- purhaps you could consider dropping the running and start doing the basic movements that Mark promotes. I see people running their little hearts out and never dropping a pound --- but weight baring exercise makes a huge difference. Squats, lunges, push ups, pulls ups - not sure if he's still doing the plank thing - I think he dropped that one. Has staying very faithfully primal in your diet made any difference? Do you track your calories and macronutrients just to see where you are?

                  Have you had your thyroid checked? What about hormone balances?
                  1. Love ME no matter what noises are screaming at me, or who is trying to tear me down.
                  2. Eat to heal
                  3. Move to live
                  4. Embrace today
                  5. Live with intention
                  6. Respect my body
                  7. Cultivate joy
                  8. Find my passion
                  9. Meditate on peace in my soul

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                  • Originally posted by tomi View Post
                    Would you mind posting an average days menu? I'm just very curious how you manage to eat that many calories and not gain weight --- what are you doing for work outs? Have you calculated your calories burned in your workouts? Maybe you are just moving your body enough to manage those high numbers. I walk but not enough to really matter as far as calories go. Biking burns more calories, but I feel I get a better leg and butt workout by walking.

                    Thanks............
                    No problem. I start every day with bacon and eggs. Four strips of bacon and two eggs. A couple of cups of coffee with Coffeemate Belgian Chocolate Toffee (I know, I know). Afternoon maybe 3:00 or so a couple of meat sticks and maybe an apple a couple days a week. Dinner is pork chops or chicken leg quarters or hamburg fried with mushrooms in coconut oil, or steak wrapped in bacon, just some kind of meat. With that we have two vegetables or one vegetable and salad, or sometimes just salad. Vegetables are carrots, broccoli, brussel sprouts, cauliflower, asparagus. Once a week or so we will have sweet potatoes - sometimes sweet potatoe fries. If I have had some kind of meat that has drippings, I make gravy using coconut or arrowroot flour. And that is it on the food side. Sometimes I skip the afternoon snack if I'm not hungry. I do an IF when I feel like it, maybe once a month or so, usually 22 hours or so. I find I get a headache and then I just eat because its not worth it. I want to feel good.

                    I don't really do any workouts. My life is pretty physical looking after DH who is a paraplegic. Lots of pushing, pulling. We go for a walk when the weather is good. Mark S. says weight loss is 80% based on the food you eat and 20% by exercising, etc. I think I get between 50 and 100 gr of carbs per day on average because he says you would lose a lb a week by doing that and I am dead on that. Honestly, I just don't worry about it. I don't count calories at all and I only get on the scale maybe once a month or so. I know I am losing by my clothes. When I started primal I was a size 16 -- I am now a 6.

                    We had a bbq party we were invited to a couple of weeks ago -- usual fare, hamburgers and hotdogs, potatoe salad, pasta salad, lots of junk food. We just ate the meat from the burgers and dogs -- ditched the bun, ate veggies and dip and avoided the junk food. It was fine. I am not tempted by the junk or bad food anymore because I know how bad it is for me. We go by the 80% rule -- you strive for 100% but if you manage 80% you are doing fine. We have a drink if we want one (sometimes more LOL) But it is rum and coke zero or pepsi max, dry wine and a beer now and again. We have a beer here that is called Canadian 67 that is low carb and low alcohol. Its nice if you want a beer on a hot day.

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                    • Originally posted by nurta View Post

                      So far I've lost almost 30lbs in those 55 days and several pant sizes. I no longer crave junk and I don't need to take naps in the evenings after work.
                      Well done! That's impressive!

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                      • Got my TOM today, first one off the pill in a good year or two. Finally an explanation for the ridiculous cravings the last few days! On the way home from work, I was really craving baked goods (first time since going primal, what the hell?!), and was this close to stopping at an ice cream parlour for a non-wheat treat, but then convinced myself to go home and have some bacon and 85% dark chocolate instead. Seems to have hit the spot, and if not, I'll still go get some ice cream later - but at least I didn't end up having a scone or something equally bad!

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                        • Argh! This (and the multiple concussions) is one of the reasons why I have so much trouble avoiding the bad stuff.

                          I can't eat bacon (or hot dogs, pepperoni, bologna, salami, corned beef, most jerky), chocolate or wine (or anything cooked or marinated in it) because I get a migraine.

                          Then I'm also not supposed to eat wheat (or anything with gluten, for that matter), seed oils, sugar, legumes... there's nothing left!
                          Durp.

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                          • I am so damn tired I can't stand it lately! I don't know what my problem is. I'm also incredibly dizzy. I also woke up at 4 this morning and never fully got back to sleep. I just want to get back to enjoying life again, but I can barely keep my eyes open. Life has been a little stressful lately as we put our house up for sale on Monday, but nothing much now. We leave for vacation Sunday and I need to have energy to enjoy time at the beach and a waterpark with my kids. But by 5 I just collapse on the couch if I don't nap. And if I nap it's only marginally better, exhausted by 7. So frustrated right now.

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                            • Originally posted by teach2183 View Post
                              I am so damn tired I can't stand it lately! I don't know what my problem is. I'm also incredibly dizzy. I also woke up at 4 this morning and never fully got back to sleep. I just want to get back to enjoying life again, but I can barely keep my eyes open. Life has been a little stressful lately as we put our house up for sale on Monday, but nothing much now. We leave for vacation Sunday and I need to have energy to enjoy time at the beach and a waterpark with my kids. But by 5 I just collapse on the couch if I don't nap. And if I nap it's only marginally better, exhausted by 7. So frustrated right now.
                              Wow, that's not good at ALL! I hope you recover in time for your vacation. Stress sure packs a powerful punch.
                              SW: 243
                              CW: 177
                              Goal: Health

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                              • Originally posted by nikitakolata View Post
                                I agree!

                                The number one thing that I would like to see is a success story from a woman that has always been overweight. I have not seen one of those yet, on any site really. I've been overweight since I was around 8 years old. I remember going on my first diet at 9. I've never lost enough weight to be in the healthy weight range for my height, ever. It is extremely depressing, especially since I'm very diligent. I've been successful in basically every other area of my life; I'm not an idiot, so why can't I get this weight thing figured out? It really makes me want to scream (and sometimes I do).

                                Before anyone even says it, I know that the BMI chart isn't the end all, be all. I get it. I really don't care what my actual weight is, I care about how I look. The smallest size I've ever worn in my life was a size 10. That fit for about 2 weeks out of my 30 years. I'm back at a 14/16 again now.

                                I guess today is just a vent day for me. I'm definitely frustrated. I let PB convince me that I didn't need so much exercise, but that was obviously a mistake. Of course, now I'm following low carb, primal diet and running between 45 and 60 minutes a day, 6 days a week and I have had no results at all. I feel winded climbing frickin' stairs and I'm still between 185 and 190. This sucks, big time.
                                Well, I'm almost there. My first diet was at age 10. I was a plump kid, and got plumper after puberty. I was at least 150 through university, managed to hit 135 for my wedding, and have never seen that weight since. But it's now within range.

                                The caveat, of course, is that I lost most of my weight before going primal, which I did for health reasons, not weight reasons. But primal eating has helped a bit there. I was at the point of losing only a pound a month, and that's now up to two or three, LOL!

                                Seriously, in general, I think losing it slowly is much better. Before going primal, I beat the famine mechanism (which causes you to plateau and then regain your weight, which is why so few diets are successful in the long run) by limiting my active weight loss periods to three weeks. Then I would go back to normal eating, or semi-normal, because I would have to fight to keep it from coming back on for about another three weeks. Then my body accepted the new status quo and I'd eat normally for another six weeks or so, and then cut back heavily on my eating for another three weeks. After a couple of years, I had too much other stuff going on to have the emotional energy I needed to diet hard for three weeks, so I would just do a few days here and there, which resulted in the pound a month results. That was okay with me, because I was no longer obese, just plump and in less of a rush.

                                I think primal eating is probably another method to beat the famine mechanism. In any event, I am enjoying the better energy levels that moving to a fat-burning metabolism as opposed to a glucose-burning one. I rarely do any exercise other than walking, although I would like to change that eventually.

                                I am a great fan of losing weight slowly, because it makes it so much more likely to be a permanent loss. Not too sure how that works with primal. Faster weight loss might be effective in that case. In any event, the slow method has been very, very successful for me, even if I still have a way to go. I am starting to get some pretty insistent requests to explain my success by people who have been watching me for years.

                                It has been noted in this thread and in a couple of journals, that going very low carb can be counter-productive for women, for some reason. Including a potato or sweet potato, or a banana, or some other relatively starchy food might be helpful for you. And remember that walking is a very fine exercise, and incredibly easy to integrate into daily life. That also has worked very well for me. Between my chronic fatigue, arthritis, and thoroughly mangled shoulders it is difficult for me to do much else, but I am sure that the walking has also been a big part of my success.
                                5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
                                Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
                                Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

                                More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
                                - Lewis Mumford

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