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  • Originally posted by VTmeetsMontréal View Post
    Hi Ladies,

    I have a question and I don't know if it has already been adressed earlier in the thread.... but I'll throw it out there anyway.

    I lost weight going primal/low carb over the past 6 months. About 35 lbs. I haven't had a real period in about 4 months... I am started to get concerned. Should I be?
    First - how old are you? What is your body fat % ? and are you SURE you're not pregnant?

    If you're not old enough for menopause, and if your body fat is above 15%, and you're NOT pg ............ then I suggest its time for a visit to the gynecologist.
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    • Originally posted by tomi View Post
      So - one of my earlier posts stated I had a new strategy......... no booze and no chocolate. I was doing that only to lose weight.......... now it seems I have to do it to stay alive. I don't really want to have a heart attack at 51. Oh my goodness - look at what I'm saying......... NO RUM, NO CHOCOLATE, NO BACON, NO EGGS, AND NO DIP!

      Is it okay to have pity party?
      First of all, congratulations on overcoming your fibromyalgia. I hope you're celebrating that victory! Now on to your other concerns...

      Look at portions. If you are having bacon and eggs for breakfast, cut the portions in half and fill the rest of your plate with a green salad - yes, salad for breakfast. You'll love it: )
      You absolutely MUST stop the bad fats NOW. Go directly to your fridge and cabinets, and toss anything that contains corn or
      canola or vegetable oil - so mayos, dressings, say goodbye. Start a new habit of squeezing fresh lemon juice on your steamed
      veggies (really delicious!) and here's a great vinaigrette recipe I use on my salads (I also use it as a mayo replacement on things like my lettuce wrap BLTs)

      1/4 cup red wine vinegar
      3/4 cuo EVOO
      1/2tsp finely ground celtic salt
      1/4 tsp fresh ground blk pepper
      1 tsp fresh lemon juice (maybe more to taste - you wnt to brighten up the overall flavor)
      1tsp honey (just enough to turn the sour into tangy)

      Recycle one of those salad dressing bottles and add all your ingredients then give it a good, emulsifying shake, and enjoy!

      Also, if you havent't been doing the sprinting and lifting heavy things part of being primal, begin to do them once per week. As much as primal is about diet, it's about moving your body for heart health.

      You've already come so far - don't let this visit to the doctor spoil your feeling of accomplishment! You've got so much to be proud of! And now that you're no longer dealing with the pain of the fibromyalgia you can take it up a notch.

      I'll be your sprint buddy if you like : )
      || 2/28/12 || 5'6" || 144 lbs ||
      My goals: 125 lbs, 27" waist, fat-free, shapely, muscular legs
      AND to be able to do my very first pull up!

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      • Originally posted by tomi View Post
        First - how old are you? What is your body fat % ? and are you SURE you're not pregnant?

        If you're not old enough for menopause, and if your body fat is above 15%, and you're NOT pg ............ then I suggest its time for a visit to the gynecologist.
        I'm not sure of my exact body fat percentage (5'8 150 lbs, athletic build) and I know I'm not pregnant.

        I saw a doctor about 2 months ago and expressed I didn't have a period for a while and she didn't seem overly concerned... she just checked if I was pregnant or not and then left it at that.

        I'm just starting to get concerned now that it has been even longer..... I know being too skinny can cause it but I don't think this is my issue....
        An avocado a day keeps the doctor away!

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        • This is likely why you have a difficult time getting lean and trim. Genetics do play a role in your body composition.
          Actually, i am exact opposite of my mom, with narrow shoulders and huge hips. I also did not inherit any of her athletic aptitude. Her coach came to knock on her door if she missed a practice, she was so good. Me, I was outright rejected or kicked out from every sport my mom tried to put me into from age 5 on (in the home country it was not like here, everyone is included, you actually had to be talented) till the public upbraiding for under performance and disappointing my dear coaches in front of the whole team that I swam with for 3+ years at the age of 12. Peculiarly, I inherited my feminine body from my father. But, yeah, absolutely no-one in my family was naturally slender, basically tall, and wide, and all of them growing heavy from mid thirties on. I think mom would have stayed thin, if not for the food shortages in mid-nineties, when she subsisted on white bread and milk and sugar and worked on the phone as a Real Estate agent to make ends meet. That's when she really got the stomach growing and she'd never lost it. Until then, we ate reasonably well.

          I saw a doctor about 2 months ago and expressed I didn't have a period for a while and she didn't seem overly concerned... she just checked if I was pregnant or not and then left it at that.

          I'm just starting to get concerned now that it has been even longer..... I know being too skinny can cause it but I don't think this is my issue....
          Doctors in Canada usually want 60 days to elapse before they send you to the gynecologist on a missed period/confirmed no pg. Try getting a referral, the gynecologist would be able to prescribe prometrium unless s/he founds a root-cause of the issue. I lost my period after a msised miscarriage and went without for 90+ days before I managed to see a gynecologist. Messed up hormones are a bad thing.
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          • Originally posted by Leida View Post
            Actually, i am exact opposite of my mom, with narrow shoulders and huge hips. I also did not inherit any of her athletic aptitude. Her coach came to knock on her door if she missed a practice, she was so good. Me, I was outright rejected or kicked out from every sport my mom tried to put me into from age 5 on (in the home country it was not like here, everyone is included, you actually had to be talented) till the public upbraiding for under performance and disappointing my dear coaches in front of the whole team that I swam with for 3+ years at the age of 12. Peculiarly, I inherited my feminine body from my father. But, yeah, absolutely no-one in my family was naturally slender, basically tall, and wide, and all of them growing heavy from mid thirties on. I think mom would have stayed thin, if not for the food shortages in mid-nineties, when she subsisted on white bread and milk and sugar and worked on the phone as a Real Estate agent to make ends meet. That's when she really got the stomach growing and she'd never lost it. Until then, we ate reasonably well.



            Doctors in Canada usually want 60 days to elapse before they send you to the gynecologist on a missed period/confirmed no pg. Try getting a referral, the gynecologist would be able to prescribe prometrium unless s/he founds a root-cause of the issue. I lost my period after a msised miscarriage and went without for 90+ days before I managed to see a gynecologist. Messed up hormones are a bad thing.


            ahh, now I'm a little scared I will try to make it in to the drs soon to get a referral ...
            An avocado a day keeps the doctor away!

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            • Originally posted by Leida View Post
              Actually, i am exact opposite of my mom, with narrow shoulders and huge hips. I also did not inherit any of her athletic aptitude. Her coach came to knock on her door if she missed a practice, she was so good. Me, I was outright rejected or kicked out from every sport my mom tried to put me into from age 5 on (in the home country it was not like here, everyone is included, you actually had to be talented) till the public upbraiding for under performance and disappointing my dear coaches in front of the whole team that I swam with for 3+ years at the age of 12. Peculiarly, I inherited my feminine body from my father. But, yeah, absolutely no-one in my family was naturally slender, basically tall, and wide, and all of them growing heavy from mid thirties on. I think mom would have stayed thin, if not for the food shortages in mid-nineties, when she subsisted on white bread and milk and sugar and worked on the phone as a Real Estate agent to make ends meet. That's when she really got the stomach growing and she'd never lost it. Until then, we ate reasonably well.
              Same here!! My mom has skinny legs with a thick middle and I am the polar opposite. I've always had a 25-26" waist but with 40-41" hips I'm lucky if I can jam myself size 10 pants. I got my dad's husky legs for sure - - ugh!!

              I keep trying different things (within paleo) but I still haven't lost a single pound. I keep all my meals down to just meat and veggies, with fruit and nuts used mostly as condiments. I recently cut out alcohol, almost all dairy (just a small sprinkling of cheese on a salad a couple times per week) and coffee. I also started forcing myself to eat a protein-heavy breakfast and not allow myself even a smidgen of a snack after dinner, to try to get my insomnia under control. All that, and the only difference I've seen is uncomfortably tight pants. The scale says I'm exactly the same as where I started but somehow the pants are all tighter, and I can't blame the dryer for it when it's all of them! I think I may have actually lost water weight and gained fat. It's so frustrating to read all the success stories and be trying so hard myself with no success whatsoever. And even worse, I have a lot of family & friends ask about my "weird paleo diet" since I've been doing it for nearly 6 months now ... and I always have to admit that nope, I haven't lost any weight.

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              • Originally posted by RitaRose View Post
                If you tell everyone that high cortisol increases estrogen, you would be telling men the correct thing. But for women, it increases testosterone, not estrogen.
                Originally posted by Gravyboat View Post
                Source please! If true, this would explain a LOT.
                According to Dr. Bryan P. Walsh, elevated cortisol raises blood sugar and insulin levels. And elevated insulin levels increase (among other things) testosterone in women and estrogen in men. I just heard him on the Underground Wellness podcast from back in 2010 when I was looking for something else and found it interesting. I honestly don't know about his credibility, just that it was pretty interesting.

                Precision Nutrition Coaching | Research Review: Measuring Your Blood Sugar – Are You Too Sweet?
                Durp.

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                • Have you guys been doing regular strength training? I did this regularly for the last month and haven't seen any big weight difference but my jeans totally feel more saggy and I'm seeing my legs and arms tone up. Strength training is also really important when it comes to regulating insulin better and boosting metabolism.

                  Though I'm having a tough time losing weight too, but I do see my health improving in several other ways. Sometimes you really do have to play around with things to figure out what's best for you (but not so quickly and impatiently that you don't give things a chance to make a difference--at least a month). I found going VLC good in the beginning to get insulin under control, but its effects had their limit. I wasn't losing any more weight (lost 30 pretty quickly). All of a sudden it got harder to sleep. When I started adding some more carbohydrates into my diet sleep got a lot better. I can say my acne has gone away for the first time in 12 years (I think getting rid of dairy and caffeine make the biggest difference on that one because they screw with insulin and blood sugar the most - yes, even more than straight sugar). That's enough to keep me motivated to figure out how to slim down.

                  No matter how tough this gets, it's pretty hard to convince myself that quality fats, proteins, fruits and vegetables aren't the best things we could be feeding ourselves.
                  Starting weight: 225
                  Current weight: 195
                  Goal: One pull-up by December 31, 2012
                  Method: Schwarzbein Principle II, program for insulin sensitive/burned-out adrenals
                  My Primal Journey


                  Created by MyFitnessPal.com - Nutrition Facts For Foods

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                  • Hello all,

                    I am 43, have been primal since late Sept. '11. Only cheat is my red wine habit, and the occasional Cosmopolitan. A girl has to have one vice left....started at 217.5 lb at 5'10", today am at 185. Progress has been slow but steady. Started weight training in January and it has made a huge difference in my body-everything seems much firmer, muscles are showing and have gone from a size 14 to 8s and 10s. More importantly, energy levels are way more stable without wheat and sugar....main issue now is managing stress as I run a business for a large company so cortisol is probably not where it should be due to regular stressors.
                    Good luck to all in following this great lifestyle!

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                    • Originally posted by drheather View Post
                      Hello all,

                      I am 43, have been primal since late Sept. '11. Only cheat is my red wine habit, and the occasional Cosmopolitan.
                      ha! I for one don't believe that embracing the primal lifestyle means you must live in a cave! Congratulations on your progress. As for stress, have you made friends with your vagus nerve? here's an interesting article that might be helpful: Mark Hyman, MD: Is Your Body Burning Up With Hidden Inflammation?

                      So inspiring to hear your progress. I've been primal for about 3 weeks now and I've never felt so good in my whole life. Plus I'm really loving mealtimes : ) Good luck to you, too!
                      || 2/28/12 || 5'6" || 144 lbs ||
                      My goals: 125 lbs, 27" waist, fat-free, shapely, muscular legs
                      AND to be able to do my very first pull up!

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                      • Originally posted by RitaRose View Post
                        According to Dr. Bryan P. Walsh, elevated cortisol raises blood sugar and insulin levels. And elevated insulin levels increase (among other things) testosterone in women and estrogen in men. I just heard him on the Underground Wellness podcast from back in 2010 when I was looking for something else and found it interesting. I honestly don't know about his credibility, just that it was pretty interesting.

                        Precision Nutrition Coaching | Research Review: Measuring Your Blood Sugar – Are You Too Sweet?
                        Yop, yop. I think this is where a lot of the problem lies if you have insulin resistance or problems like PCOS and Diabetes that stem from it.
                        Starting weight: 225
                        Current weight: 195
                        Goal: One pull-up by December 31, 2012
                        Method: Schwarzbein Principle II, program for insulin sensitive/burned-out adrenals
                        My Primal Journey


                        Created by MyFitnessPal.com - Nutrition Facts For Foods

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                        • I keep trying different things (within paleo) but I still haven't lost a single pound. I keep all my meals down to just meat and veggies, with fruit and nuts used mostly as condiments. I recently cut out alcohol, almost all dairy (just a small sprinkling of cheese on a salad a couple times per week) and coffee. I also started forcing myself to eat a protein-heavy breakfast and not allow myself even a smidgen of a snack after dinner, to try to get my insomnia under control. All that, and the only difference I've seen is uncomfortably tight pants. The scale says I'm exactly the same as where I started but somehow the pants are all tighter, and I can't blame the dryer for it when it's all of them! I think I may have actually lost water weight and gained fat. It's so frustrating to read all the success stories and be trying so hard myself with no success whatsoever. And even worse, I have a lot of family & friends ask about my "weird paleo diet" since I've been doing it for nearly 6 months now ... and I always have to admit that nope, I haven't lost any weight.
                          Kim, have you put your food intake through any calculators for a couple of weeks? By your measurements you are in the hard to lose range, when you do have to count at least until you get an idea of rough intake; you have to train smartly and play with macros.

                          What works for me is heavy lifting 3x a week (I just switched from 3x a week barbell to 2x a week barbell + KBs) with short cardio sessions (~ 40 min with warm/up/cool down aiming for 1-2 HIITs a week) on the alternate days and walking 45 + min a day. I also try to eat low fat/high protein/carb on lifting days and high fat/low carb on cardio days. I exclude fruit and all sweeteners, nuts and dairy (though atm I am experimenting with adding raw milk hard cheese in).

                          It seems that your food is under control, so training or inappropriate training may be the trouble. Heavy lifting was the only thing that actually made a difference in my body shape, mostly positive (though I am not happy about large quadracep, but I take it as a part of the better package).

                          It is hard to find the right solution for oneself, but I am very willing to share what I did, when, when it became ineffective etc.
                          My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
                          When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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                          • I found this in my emails this morning. I only got through about half of it because I'm headed off to work, but I thought it was pretty interesting so far. One thing it mentions is how excess cortisol increases ghrelin, which is a hormone that increases appetite.

                            The Paleo Premise: Troubleshooting Weight Loss on Low Carb Diets
                            Durp.

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                            • Originally posted by VTmeetsMontréal View Post
                              I'm not sure of my exact body fat percentage (5'8 150 lbs, athletic build) and I know I'm not pregnant.

                              I saw a doctor about 2 months ago and expressed I didn't have a period for a while and she didn't seem overly concerned... she just checked if I was pregnant or not and then left it at that.

                              I'm just starting to get concerned now that it has been even longer..... I know being too skinny can cause it but I don't think this is my issue....
                              You don't have to be too skinny to lose your period. I lost mine at ~24%BF because I lost weight too quickly.
                              Extended periods of time eating low carb, eating low calories, over exercising and stress (physical and/or mental) can all cause the absence of menstruation. I recommend taking some time off from dieting, exercising and eating low carb (2-4 weeks maybe) and see what happens.

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                              • Originally posted by Leida View Post
                                Kim, have you put your food intake through any calculators for a couple of weeks? By your measurements you are in the hard to lose range, when you do have to count at least until you get an idea of rough intake; you have to train smartly and play with macros.

                                What works for me is heavy lifting 3x a week (I just switched from 3x a week barbell to 2x a week barbell + KBs) with short cardio sessions (~ 40 min with warm/up/cool down aiming for 1-2 HIITs a week) on the alternate days and walking 45 + min a day. I also try to eat low fat/high protein/carb on lifting days and high fat/low carb on cardio days. I exclude fruit and all sweeteners, nuts and dairy (though atm I am experimenting with adding raw milk hard cheese in).

                                It seems that your food is under control, so training or inappropriate training may be the trouble. Heavy lifting was the only thing that actually made a difference in my body shape, mostly positive (though I am not happy about large quadracep, but I take it as a part of the better package).

                                It is hard to find the right solution for oneself, but I am very willing to share what I did, when, when it became ineffective etc.
                                I've tried some tracking, and it's easy for things like my breakfast of 2 scrambled eggs. It gets really hard to calculate when it's the rack of lamb we had last night, and most of the nutrition info I could find on it must have assumed you ate ALL the fat. Not that I'm afraid of some fat, especially good grass-fed lamb fat, but I definitely didn't eat all of the big ol' chunks on there! I am pretty careful/cognizant of higher calorie foods, even good-for-you ones. Like we have salads quite a lot but I'm careful to not put more than 1.5 tablespoons vinaigrette on mine even though I made it myself and know the oil is 100% EVOO. I really thought I'd start to see some difference finally when I cut out my morning latte (1.25 cups whole milk) and glass of red wine with dinner, because I've seen that cited a number of times as being the final roadblock for women. It's only been 2 weeks since I cut it all the way out, but my gosh, not even 0.5 lbs in that time?!

                                Right now I'm doing strength workouts 2x per week. I chose that frequency because the soreness after each workout has been lasting ~3 days. It seems to have tapered off in the last 2 weeks or so though so I probably need to increase the intensity, frequency, or both. Again like the wine/dairy though, I thought that by adding in strength training I would see SOME change, but it's really been nothing. I caught sight of my legs in the mirror during last night's workout and was absolutely HORRIFIED to see how much cellulite was there. I swear, if you saw a photo you'd think I was carrying 100 extra lbs and not 10!

                                Anyway, I'm going to keep reading and hope that I see something I haven't tried yet and might finally work. I want to give the no alcohol/milk thing the rest of this month to see if I get any results. I think I'll also give the carb/fat alternating on workout/nonworkout days a try, as you suggested. And seeing as how the weather is warming up, I'm going to try to start walking on my nonworkout days, as it sounds like you do. It sure can't hurt!

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