Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Why do paleo/primal folks and vegans hate each other?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #16
    I harbor negativity towards veganism not so much for its tenets or practicioners, but for how much university dining bends its knees to the lifestyle without really providing any options for paleo folks. Sure, I can just forgo the bun and get a chicken breast......but vegans at my school get their own station with specially made dishes. They're all nasty, non-whole food things, but still: would it kill them to make one or two primal dishes? Or at least post the ingredients? A lot of vegetarians and vegans I know live by the mindset "if there isn't meat or animal products, I can eat it." Which means a lot of sweets and nasty garbage can be on the menu.

    Comment


    • #17
      Damn, that does look good. I have everything but the sesame seeds - must shop!

      Comment


      • #18
        Originally posted by DarthFriendly View Post
        Did you know that nobody gives a shit about Canadia? Or the pod people who hatch from it's sewers such as yourself?

        In fact 1 out of 10 Indonesians know that you sniff the panties of octogenarians.

        you said canadia. as i thought i only used that term you must be a satanic mind melding super hero from mars

        or, you know, kinda gooberish

        do the dulcet tones of death metal follow you in your day to day life?
        beautiful
        yeah you are

        Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
        lol

        Comment


        • #19
          to be honest, i have no clue, and always thought it was a sort of joke between us. am i wrong? maybe i'm wrong.

          i was vegan for several years, then vegetarian, and now paleo. i still use many raw and cooked vegan recipes.

          in irony, though, i was with some derby girls at practice, and one was complaining about how she went to a skate shop to get a vinyl toe guard, and the person selling the various skate related items was like "why? what's the point?" and she said "i'm vegan." And then he started to get all weird about it, and go into "health issues with vegans" and what not, and it was basically rude.

          i totally was hearing her and saying "yeah, that's totally rude. it's none of his business, and you look fine and healthy to me, so obviously you know what you are doing!" and she was like "yeah!" and then asked if I was vegan, and I said that I had been for several years, but i'm not anymore.

          Then, in irony, she moved right into chastise mode about how eating meat is wrong and bad for your health, and how it specifically makes ME unhealthy, and that i shouldn't have listened to our naturopath that took DH off grains because grains are really good for you, and how she just wouldn't blindly follow someones advice but research it first. . .. on and on and on.

          and I finally said "yeah. what i find ironic is the you were very up in arms about the skate guy questioning your lifestyle, your thought processes, your health, and your values, but then you turn around and start chastising me, accusing me of not doing my research, not thinking, and not being healthy. This is why people are loathe to stand up for vegans, and heck, i even did stand up for you. I'm fine if veganism is for you, and it's what you believe in, and if you develop a health problem and decide to stay vegan even though it would have made you unhealthy -- that's your prerogative -- but, it's just funny that you wouldn't accord others the same respect."

          Though, fundamentally, the "issue" with some vegans is that if you are not vegan, you are not right/correct/moral. You are a murderer, or ignorant, or an ignorant murderer, and that you are addicted to meat/dairy, etc etc etc, and a lot of assumptions and aspersions are made on one's character for NOT being vegan. It's a very narrow position.

          And as a paleo, I can say "sure, veganism is fine if that's what you want to do" and find many things that we have in common (because we do have a lot in common), but ultimately, to some vegans, we are still just inherently wrong/bad and should be vegan. and if we were smart, we would be.

          and i think people get annoyed when you tell them that over and over.

          --

          btw, that seed-zucchini hummus looks yummy AND that lady is cute.

          Comment


          • #20
            My boyfriend is vegan. I am primal. We both have a lot of respect for one another. I used to be vegan, but I am not anymore. It wasn't giving me the energy and vibrance that I needed. I was vegan as an animal activist, not for health reasons.

            I talk a lot about my diet with my boyfriend and he doesn't mind. He knows it's good for me and wants me to be healthy. I wish I could be vegan again, but I want to live a long, healthy life and I worry being vegan would interfere with that. I don't believe that killing animals is wrong. Torturing them, injecting them with hormones and enslaving them is wrong, but there are plenty of vendors out there who truly care for their animals and treat them well. If I have to pay $13 for a lb of ground turkey breast, that's what I have to do to get the good stuff. I love animals, so I take care and avoid industrial animal products. Animals kill other animals in the wild to survive. I don't like it, but that's how nature works.

            I see why vegans and paleo folks fight. Most vegans aren't in it for health reasons. They're animal activists and they are sacrificing their health for a greater cause. They're very passionate people and some of them are easily provoked. I used to be one of them. I think a simple boycott of industrial meat would be more effective, but some people just aren't comfortable with eating any meat. My boyfriend is one of them. I will never try to convince him otherwise. He's doing what he feels is right for him and I support that.

            We do need to work together, though. The whole food/raw food vegan diet is still healthier than the average person's diet. It goes above and beyond fast food and other filthy things people like to eat nowadays. We're all in this together!
            **Food and Meows**

            Comment


            • #21
              To vegans and some vegetarians, meat eaters are murderers. How do you hold hands with a murderer and sing kumbaya?

              To many of us who eat meat, vegans and a lesser extent vegetarians are murdering Gaia by depriving her of the fertilizer she must have.

              To me, The Vegetarian Myth by Liere Keith and Vegan No More by Tasha sum things up perfectly. Both were vegan evangelists. Both almost died from veganism. Both converted to meat eating. Both got death threats from vegan terrorists. See my blog for links.

              I used to be vegan. I only hate the vegan terrorists. But veganism and vegetarianism are wrong headed and they are helping destroy the earth.
              Last edited by Hedonist; 10-29-2011, 11:52 PM.
              Ancestral Health Info

              I design websites and blogs for a living. If you would like a blog or website designed by someone who understands Primal, see my web page.

              Primal Blueprint Explorer My blog for people who are not into the Grok thing. Since starting the blog, I have moved close to being Archevore instead of Primal. But Mark's Daily Apple is still the best source of information about living an ancestral lifestyle.

              Comment


              • #22
                Another book is Beyond Broccoli by Susan Schenk. She wrote what is considered by many to be the Bible on raw veganism (The Live Food Factor), but after so many years of RV began to get sick. She began combining her (lowerish-carb, low-glycemic) raw food recipes with eggs and meat ("high-raw Paleo") and felt and looked better. This book just came out a couple of months ago and has a 5-star rating on Amazon and is creating quite the stir in the raw vegan community. As you might imagine, Banana Boy is freaking the F out and is going after her. (BTW, have you seen how he looks lately?!)
                "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -- Hippocrates

                Comment


                • #23
                  Originally posted by DarthFriendly View Post
                  Did you know that nobody gives a shit about Canadia? Or the pod people who hatch from it's sewers such as yourself?

                  In fact 1 out of 10 Indonesians know that you sniff the panties of octogenarians.
                  Oh, it's good that I live in CANADA then. Oh and since I live in Atlantic Canada you need to dig up stereotypes you've probably never heard unless you're Canadian too.
                  In all of the universe there is only one person with your exact charateristics. Just like there is only one person with everybody else's characteristics. Effectively, your uniqueness makes you pretty average.

                  Comment


                  • #24
                    The default "healthy" diet change is to go vegetarian and preferably vegan. Steve Jobs, Bill Clinton, Oprah...blah, blah, blah. Too many prominent folks and too many policy makers larded throughout the government/healthcare complex. It must be vigorously countered and this might be interpreted as "hate."
                    Wheat is the new tobacco. Spread the word.

                    Comment


                    • #25
                      Originally posted by TigerLily View Post
                      Another book is Beyond Broccoli by Susan Schenk. She wrote what is considered by many to be the Bible on raw veganism (The Live Food Factor), but after so many years of RV began to get sick. She began combining her (lowerish-carb, low-glycemic) raw food recipes with eggs and meat ("high-raw Paleo") and felt and looked better. This book just came out a couple of months ago and has a 5-star rating on Amazon and is creating quite the stir in the raw vegan community. As you might imagine, Banana Boy is freaking the F out and is going after her. (BTW, have you seen how he looks lately?!)
                      Hadn't heard about this before, thanks. I googled the controversy and read up on it on a couple of different websites, including the 30-Banana Idiot blog. Amazes me how quickly those non-violent vegans turn on their own and rip them to shreds when they stop following the party line.

                      Comment


                      • #26
                        Originally posted by bloodorchid View Post
                        do the dulcet tones of death metal follow you in your day to day life?
                        Panties...GLORIOUS PANTIES AHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAH!!

                        Comment


                        • #27
                          Originally posted by TigerLily View Post
                          This woman is 44 years old, BTW....
                          Yeah she looks great. She doesn't wear a wedding ring like me, I kind of want to meet her. She seems like the kind of woman who would like me. I bet I could get her to start eating meat.

                          Comment


                          • #28
                            There is a lot of pointless squabbling. Did y'all know that banananananana boy trolls on here asking newbie questions then copying everything back over to his forum?

                            I have better things to do.

                            Comment


                            • #29
                              @Grok: I'm pretty sure she's single. Go get 'er!

                              @NMG: Oh, I think these days he's too busy terrorizing all the raw vegans who are switching to high-raw Paleo to be concerned about MDA.
                              "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -- Hippocrates

                              Comment


                              • #30
                                Originally posted by TigerLily View Post
                                @Grok: I'm pretty sure she's single. Go get 'er!
                                Right, what are the chances she lives here in Reno?

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X