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    Hi All,


    I am going to re-start PB in the new year. I am wondering from everyone's experience how strict you have to be for PB to work. I know the more strict you are the better your results will be, but currently I have not been doing good sticking to the PB.


    For example, if you have 1 cheat day a week will the PB still work? I am guessing that it will not. Also, if I do not track my carbs and I am over the 100 carb limit then again PB will not work. My thinking is that if i do not track my carbs and if i do not keep my body in Ketosis then my random PB days will be useless. I am just trying to be realistic going into this and do not want to set myself up for any more failures.


    Please let me know your thoughts.


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    It really depends on what you want to get out of PB. Is your goal fat loss? Overall better health? Longevity? What aspects of the PB do you find difficult to adhere to?

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      I want it all, I need to lose probably 50lbs, want to live healthy and be able to teach my future kids the correct way to live/eat. I find the eating difficult to adhere to. The keeping track of the carbs and eating no grains. I usually do ok for few days, but then slip up. So my body never gets into Ketosis b/c I slip up or eat to many carbs.

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        Are you in control of what's in your cupboards at home? Or, are you in a situation of sharing your kitchen with a non-primal person? For me, the best way to adhere to the PB is have absolutely nothing available that isn't primal. Same at work, where I generally buy my food at the store close by, keep it in the work fridge, and simply don't allow myself to eat anything else. For me, it was cold turkey on the carbs, although others here found it easier to ease into it.

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          It sounds like you mean "weight loss"? From reading people's posts, it sounds like the majority of people lose weight the easiest by sticking close to 50gof carbs/day or under. From my experience, being "strict," even avoiding artificial sweeteners most of the time, has been essential b/c it has really reset my taste buds and body chemistry. Fruit tastes much sweeter than it ever did - I don't think I could handle a SAD dessert. The aromas from fast food places smell disgusting now... And I don't need to eat nearly as often, b/c those hypoglycemic shakes are a thing of the past. BUT I don't think of this as being "strict" - I think of it as changing my perspective on what's normal for a human body to eat!


          That said, I've had random days closer to 100g carbs, and have still lost weight. They've been carbs from fruits and veggies, a little dairy, not grains or processed sugars. This matters to my taste buds and mental state of determination HTH.

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            Would it help if you planned your meals in advance? Worked in more of your old favorites, "primalized"? I eat many things I always have, except with slightly healthier ingredients and no starch. Like pizza stack-ups, with my favorite veggies on bottom, some organic no-sugar-added pizza sauce, chicken and no-preservative pepperoni, some full-fat mozzarella on top...

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              If you follow the basics: meat, eggs, veggies, some fruit (stick to seasonal fruit and berries) and limited nuts/seeds/nut butters you can keep your carbs pretty low without a lot of tracking or counting. I'm not trying to lose but I've successfully maintained a major weight loss for over 1 year now without monitoring every morsel.


              As far as how strict. Well that's up to you. I whole heartedly believe in the 80-20 principal that Mark talks about and don't consider any day a "cheat" day. Some days I am simply more primal than others.


              But in your case it doesn't sound like you can't stick to it, it sounds like your fighting an addiction to sugar (which we all have to some degree). I think if you maybe approached the sugar/carbs thing as a drug that has to be combatted as opposed to an eating choice that you give into easily you may be in a better frame of mind not to partake in the "no-no" stuff. Anyway, just my opnion but I hope it helps. Keep fighting the good fight...you're future kids will reap big rewards from a healthy daddy!

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                I think anything you can do to move towards pb will be helpful/beneficial to health--even if you do have a cheat day every week. It won't be *as* effective, but if it's have a cheat day and do pb the rest of the week or just go back to eating SAD, I'd say go for the one that keeps you closer to eating primally. I'd also say, if you do have a cheat day, stick to REAL food--not factory processed junk or fast food, etc...


                I don't know how this would impact weight loss, but I think it could only be helpful to eat moree primally as often as possible when it comes to health...

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                  I am totally strict and loving it. I think the high that I get from seeing my body change before eyes on a daily basis is far better than any sugar high I would get from any carbs. I've learned so much about my body within doing PB for 3 months. I've lost 2 inches from my waist, 1 inch from my thighs, neck and biceps. I use to leg press 120 lbs, now I can lift 300 (and I'm female). I think depending on what kind of results you want to see will determine how strict you will be. Oh, I also IF every third day. The benefit of being really strict is there are no cravings what so ever.

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                    Thanks for all the replies.


                    Sharonll- It is just my wife and I but I do not have control of all of the food in the kitchen. So there will be the non primal foods in the house. I want to have the will power to say no. I think I need to have some kind of avoidance mechanism. So whenever I want to eat bad I have someone punch me in the stomach or something. lol


                    DepRatlAnimal- I think not planning out my meals and making them in advance is one of my biggest issues. We end up coming home from work and just eating something quick, which usually is not good. If I have a craving for something I need to learn how to make the PB alternative.


                    FairyRae2- I agree that eating PB on some days and having a cheat day is better than not eating PB at all. I think i just get frustrated b/c i slip up and then don't see the results. I need to train myself like a dog. I need find a way to do something negative when i slip up so that i do not want to slip up again.

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                      For me it's an all-or-nothing approach. I have a very addictive personality and I know if I would allow myself some candy or pizza or whatever then I'd start doing it more often.


                      I used to have a cheat day on fridays, and then I'd sometimes eat an entire pizza, some ice cream and chocolate, maybe 5000cal in one evening, ruining a weeks worth of dieting in a few hours.


                      If occasional cheating isn't working for you, then maybe you should try being more strict about it and never cheat unless the social circumstances demand it. I find that reading something every day about food and health keeps me motivated.


                      And you don't need to be in ketosis to lose weight! It might work faster, but it is definitely not necessary. I recommend following the primal blueprint recommendation for easy weight loss which is 50-100grams carb per day.

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                        AverageJoe: Read about what the non-primal food does to your body. It will sicken you; I know it did me. Read the PB, read Protein Power, read Atkins, read the sites that take our so-called "food" and deconstruct it to tell you about lectins, insulin resistance and so forth. I no longer want those foods; in fact, I'm actively disgusted by them.

                        Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

                        Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


                        Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

                        My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

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                          Griff makes a REALLY great point.


                          For me, realizing what the food does to my insulin and spiking it really was an eye opener. I am not diabetic, but I knew I was heading down that road since many family members of mine were.


                          So low carbing it made sense on a certain level, then throwing in what it does with the insulin sealed the deal. I would read as much as you can about different aspects of it and one might click with you more...


                          For me, if I "cheat", it will allow me to cheat more. So I really, really try to take the temptation out. I also realize, I don't have the pleasure of eating cheese at this point. I might introduce it back in when I hit more of my weight loss goals, but for now, I need to be more "strict".


                          Play with it all. See what works for you. Keep it up! Good luck!

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                            g2baker- It sounds like you are how i would like to be. Totally strict and able to stick to it. Maybe when i get started again I will hold out long enough to see some results and be able to use that as motivation.


                            kjake55- maybe that is the approach I will use. Just eat meat, eggs, veggies, fruit, nuts/seeds/nut butters and not keep track of carbs. If i am able to stick to those foods for a couple weeks then maybe I will be able to start keeping track of the carbs.

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                              krisssi- I am the same way. My cheat days are not planned they just happen and before i know it i have just finished off the pizza.


                              Luckykoi and Griff - You make a good point. I have a copy of Mark's book. Maybe I will try to read some of the book each day to keep me on track.


                              I would prefer to be strict and not have a cheat day b/c it is a slippery slope.


                              Thanks everyone for the good replies.

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