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    I started the Primal challenge four days ago and so far I've been losing a pound a day! While I'm excited about that, I have a few questions.

    1. My eating habits are completely changed. I stop eating when I'm satisfied but I get hungry a few hours later. My diet so far has had things like various vegetables, salad, chicken, bacon, beef, greek yogurt and cottage cheese in that order of amount from the most to the least. How do I know if i need to eat more protein or less dairy or fat? Or visa versa? I'd also like to not have to eat so often but getting hunger pains so often is an unusual experience for me. Do carbs satisfy longer?

    2. I have about 135 pounds to lose and I was wondering, if I continue to lose weight this quickly will I have more loose skin at the end? Or does it even out to a couple pounds a week like other diets?

    3. Is soy not primal? I love tofu and soymilk...

    4. I don't have an unlimited budget or the space to take in lots of foods and whole cuts of beef at a time. I have a quarter of a fridge available and I seem to have to shop for food almost every day just to have something to eat. I can't seem to find simpler primal recipes with just a few ingredients (other than salads). Are there any tips for someone like me? So far I've been making one recipe at a time and just eating it multiple meals in a row because I don't have space for more ingredients than that. :/ I don't want food boredom.
    Doing the Primal 30 Day Challenge since August 8th, 2011!




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    1. Mark lays out the basic % of macros in the WOE (fat - protein-carbs) in the book and some blog posts. I am about to head to work but I am sure someone can link those numbers for you. They are the baseline and you may have to adjust them to fit your own needs. Many women here, for example, seem to do better on more carbs. (More carbs being not low carb. I don't mean they do better eating 2 pounds of wheat a day )

    When I stared I ate 3 times a day with a small snack if I was hungry. Now I eat twice a day. It is all about the body adjusting. Some here eat once a day, some twice, there are a few who eat several small meals. It is a matter of finding what works. I would advise against long fasts at the beginning. Eat when hungry, stop when satisfied until your body adjusts.

    No, in my experience, fat satisfies longer. If you are hungry often try eating more fat at meals for a day or two to see if it helps.

    As for dairy, some people limit is as it stalls their weight loss. I have some half&half in my coffee and some greek yogurt and lose weight. If you see your weight loss stall out, cut back on your dairy a bit and see if it changes (a lot of this WOE is seeing what works best for you).

    2. In my experience the weight loss slows down. I lost 20 pounds very quickly. Now I lose about 2 pounds a week. Slow and steady and less stretched out skin. Also I am eating food I like and am not hungry all the time. Woot woot.

    3. Soy is...eh, crap? LOL sorry my prejudices. I think the last I read is that it is not optimal but fermented soy is okay in moderation as is edame etc. It is the processed crap (tofu, soymilk..sorry) that is not good.

    4. I shop daily, mainly because I like to shop for food. When I need something simple I go with...yummy meat, couple of veggies = meal.
    Crock pots are great for making a week's worth of lunches. Make some pulled pork and spice it differently each day.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by canio6 View Post
      1. Mark lays out the basic % of macros in the WOE (fat - protein-carbs) in the book and some blog posts. I am about to head to work but I am sure someone can link those numbers for you. They are the baseline and you may have to adjust them to fit your own needs. Many women here, for example, seem to do better on more carbs. (More carbs being not low carb. I don't mean they do better eating 2 pounds of wheat a day )

      When I stared I ate 3 times a day with a small snack if I was hungry. Now I eat twice a day. It is all about the body adjusting. Some here eat once a day, some twice, there are a few who eat several small meals. It is a matter of finding what works. I would advise against long fasts at the beginning. Eat when hungry, stop when satisfied until your body adjusts.

      No, in my experience, fat satisfies longer. If you are hungry often try eating more fat at meals for a day or two to see if it helps.

      As for dairy, some people limit is as it stalls their weight loss. I have some half&half in my coffee and some greek yogurt and lose weight. If you see your weight loss stall out, cut back on your dairy a bit and see if it changes (a lot of this WOE is seeing what works best for you).

      2. In my experience the weight loss slows down. I lost 20 pounds very quickly. Now I lose about 2 pounds a week. Slow and steady and less stretched out skin. Also I am eating food I like and am not hungry all the time. Woot woot.

      3. Soy is...eh, crap? LOL sorry my prejudices. I think the last I read is that it is not optimal but fermented soy is okay in moderation as is edame etc. It is the processed crap (tofu, soymilk..sorry) that is not good.

      4. I shop daily, mainly because I like to shop for food. When I need something simple I go with...yummy meat, couple of veggies = meal.
      Crock pots are great for making a week's worth of lunches. Make some pulled pork and spice it differently each day.
      Thanks for the replies! They helped me out a lot! I'm a little sad about the soymilk but maybe it can be my sensible vice or what I do on my cheat days. I'll try the crock pot of pulled pork soon, that sounds delicious!
      Doing the Primal 30 Day Challenge since August 8th, 2011!



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      • #4
        Originally posted by MaLink View Post
        Thanks for the replies! They helped me out a lot! I'm a little sad about the soymilk but maybe it can be my sensible vice or what I do on my cheat days. I'll try the crock pot of pulled pork soon, that sounds delicious!
        Check out the recipes section of the forum and look around for some paleo/primal cooking blogs. You would be amazed at the great recipes you can find.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by canio6 View Post
          Check out the recipes section of the forum and look around for some paleo/primal cooking blogs. You would be amazed at the great recipes you can find.
          I'll do that right now. D:
          Doing the Primal 30 Day Challenge since August 8th, 2011!



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          • #6
            Soy is not a sensible vice. Sorry ;(

            And, if you want to succeed, you need to get the thought of 'cheat days' out of your head. Nobody is perfect, and Mark himself says "don't let perfect be the enemy of good" but if you save the 'cheats' for things that are out of your control for the most part - like a couple of grams of sugar in your favourite BBQ sauce, or having a piece of cake at your grandmother's 80th birthday, you'll be a lot more successful than if you say "Ok, Sunday is my cheat day I'm going to have a deep dish pizza!"

            A couple of suggestions: since you like soy milk, perhaps you could try Almond Breeze or the So Delicious cartons of coconut milk (not the same as canned coconut milk) instead. Try as well, to have some protein and fat at every meal. If you do need a snack don't worry but keep it primal: an apple with some almond butter, pork rinds, a "small" handful of nuts, a chunk of creamed coconut or a square of dark chocolate.

            I'm down nearly 37 lbs and was concerned about loose skin too. While the boobs aren't up where they were and my remaining fat is a bit 'squishier' (common apparently) I don't have much in the way of loose skin. It seems to have shrunk back but I've been losing at a rate of 1-1.5 lbs a week.
            Newcomers: If you haven't read the book, at least read this thread ... and all the links!
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            CW: 146.8 lbs
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            • #7
              Soy is just terrible for you. Sorry. If you miss soy milk maybe try some unsweetened almond milk. If you're worried about calories, it's very low, but it's high in omega 6 which isn't all that great, but in my opinion, it's still better than soy milk. Also, try coconut milk, which is delicious, but high in calories. I use almond milk in my coffee because I used to be a skim milk in coffee person so the viscosity is similar otherwise I use coconut milk for cooking.
              I don't know what to tell you about the tofu except to use chicken in place of it.

              And what's this non-sense about cheat days??? There's no need to "cheat" when there's bacon!!!
              kiss = keep it simple, sister!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by belinda View Post
                Soy is not a sensible vice. Sorry ;(

                And, if you want to succeed, you need to get the thought of 'cheat days' out of your head. Nobody is perfect, and Mark himself says "don't let perfect be the enemy of good" but if you save the 'cheats' for things that are out of your control for the most part - like a couple of grams of sugar in your favourite BBQ sauce, or having a piece of cake at your grandmother's 80th birthday, you'll be a lot more successful than if you say "Ok, Sunday is my cheat day I'm going to have a deep dish pizza!"

                A couple of suggestions: since you like soy milk, perhaps you could try Almond Breeze or the So Delicious cartons of coconut milk (not the same as canned coconut milk) instead. Try as well, to have some protein and fat at every meal. If you do need a snack don't worry but keep it primal: an apple with some almond butter, pork rinds, a "small" handful of nuts, a chunk of creamed coconut or a square of dark chocolate.

                I'm down nearly 37 lbs and was concerned about loose skin too. While the boobs aren't up where they were and my remaining fat is a bit 'squishier' (common apparently) I don't have much in the way of loose skin. It seems to have shrunk back but I've been losing at a rate of 1-1.5 lbs a week.
                I guess it's no more soymilk then. The tofu is easier to get rid of, honestly. The main reason I liked soymilk was because it felt filling at the same time as being delicious to me. If it comes right down to it I can live without it though. And I'll go grab some almond butter today, I think my store has a grinder that makes it fresh.
                Doing the Primal 30 Day Challenge since August 8th, 2011!



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                • #9
                  Great answers!
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by kiss View Post
                    Soy is just terrible for you. Sorry. If you miss soy milk maybe try some unsweetened almond milk. If you're worried about calories, it's very low, but it's high in omega 6 which isn't all that great, but in my opinion, it's still better than soy milk. Also, try coconut milk, which is delicious, but high in calories. I use almond milk in my coffee because I used to be a skim milk in coffee person so the viscosity is similar otherwise I use coconut milk for cooking.
                    I don't know what to tell you about the tofu except to use chicken in place of it.

                    And what's this non-sense about cheat days??? There's no need to "cheat" when there's bacon!!!
                    I love bacon but it's a messy thing to cook. :P lol
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                    • #11
                      1. You are probably healing. For the first time in a long time, your body is getting what it needs in order to repair damage - fat and protein - so expect to eat more for a while (and you will still lose weight, due to it being stuff that's actually getting used, not stored). Avoid carbs, especially with the amount of weight you need to lose. Right now you are also going through carb withdrawal, so what you think is "hungry" may just be "addiction cravings." Eat fat (bacon is good) whenever that happens. Fat keeps you satiated; carbs make you crave. Ditch the carbs.

                      2. Your weight loss will slow down eventually. Your body will reach a place where it's comfortable. Try not to set a number goal on your weight loss (read "Ditch the scale!" in my sig file); that's a great way to derail yourself.

                      3. Soy is not only not primal, it is poison. If you want breast or ovarian cancer in your 40s, keep eating it. If not, stop using it. It's not food, and it's not good for you at all.

                      4. My first thought is, why do you only have that small space? Secondly, get an onion, a head of garlic, and a pound of ground beef, and you can make a meal that will satisfy for hours and hours (and that is different depending on the spices you use). You may have to buy ingredients every day or two if you only have that much space, but then again you would have to anyway, right?
                      Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by belinda View Post
                        And, if you want to succeed, you need to get the thought of 'cheat days' out of your head. Nobody is perfect, and Mark himself says "don't let perfect be the enemy of good" but if you save the 'cheats' for things that are out of your control for the most part - like a couple of grams of sugar in your favourite BBQ sauce, or having a piece of cake at your grandmother's 80th birthday, you'll be a lot more successful than if you say "Ok, Sunday is my cheat day I'm going to have a deep dish pizza!"
                        This hasn't really been my experience - and it is not how I interpret what Mark says about the 20% either. I have lost over 50 lbs eating this way and am at a pretty healthy weight now. While I never have a whole "cheat day" I do regularly enjoy non-primal meals. For me it is very nice to occasionally go out to dinner and if there is something I really want to try - I just get it. I enjoy it, guilt free, and then make sure my next meal is 100% primal. I love the flexibility of this way of eating!


                        However - I do second the motion to ditch the soy milk.... not something you want to be regularly putting in to a body you are trying to heal. Good luck!!
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MaLink View Post
                          I love bacon but it's a messy thing to cook. :P lol
                          We buy the Kirkland Signature (aka Costco) pre-cooked bacon. You can eat it out of the package, cook it in the pan for a few minutes to crisp it (and release enough bacon fat to cook a fried egg:-), or use it in an omelet. It freezes well too. Perfect!

                          I keep regular bacon around for those times I need to restock the jar of bacon fat in the fridge, but that's a weekend food as it takes so long. When you cook regular bacon, try putting on a tray in the oven. Cook @ 450 for ~20 minutes. Easy peasy, little mess and the bacon fat is easy to pour into a jar.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MaLink View Post
                            I love bacon but it's a messy thing to cook. :P lol
                            I bought a nice big frying pan with a deeper edge (at least 2") so that I can cook at least 1/2 a package at a time and it minimizes the spatter.
                            Newcomers: If you haven't read the book, at least read this thread ... and all the links!
                            http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread17722.html

                            F/49/5'4"
                            Jan. 1, 2011: 186.6 lbs PBSW Mar. 1, 2011: 175.8 lbs
                            CW: 146.8 lbs
                            GW 140 lbs
                            A proud member of PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals

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                            • #15
                              I'm going to second (3rd? 4th?) the "ditch the soy" refrain. Soy is absolutely terrible for you and is one of the best things to cut out entirely. It's a carcinogenic endocrine disruptor.

                              As for cheat days, some people seem to be able to use them successfully, and some people just get derailed by them and spiral out of control of their eating. I tend to the latter, but you'll have to honestly evaluate yourself and learn whether you can handle it or not without jeopardizing your health progress.
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