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  • Do some people want to be Neanderthal not African?

    It has always seemed to me that many folks in this forum think of themselves as Neanderthal. I suspect at least a few don't want to be African, not that they would probably admit it.

    So, apparently most non-African humans have some Neanderthal genetic material. Not much, so far as I can tell. But lots of people are hot to find proof that they have more than most of us. Partly, this may be because Neanderthals have a (perhaps undeserved) image of being bad assed. But also, OK, I'm going to say it. Flame me if you want. I wonder whether it is partly racist. Not for most of us, for sure. But for some.

    We are all overwhelmingly African. Reading about Bushmen, I am proud to call them my grandparents.
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    I'm a British American. Born in England to English parents and became a naturalized US citizen. If my ancestors, god knows how many generations ago, were Neanderthal or African or hell, came from some other planet, it doesn't matter one iota.

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    • #3
      I thought Grok was supposed to be a 10,000 year ago man? I think Neanderthals had been long gone for 20,000 years by Groks day and age (interbreeding aside). Maybe I am wrong but I think the little guy on my T shirt jumping around would have been a Homo sapien.

      Also I believe the current Out of Africa theory states that humans began migrating out of Africa around 70,000 years ago.

      So when I am walking around feeling primal with my pale white skin, blue eyes, and red hair I guess I think of myself more of a homo sapien living 10,000 years ago most likely in the area we now call germany or maybe closer to the British isles given my heritage. If I were to go back far enough maybe I would be an african but certainly not as recent as 10,000 years ago which is the time frame we are given in the book.

      If I were of African ancestry I certainly do not see why I would not picture myself as an African Bushmen. You can argue we were all African at one point which is true but we were all also single cell organisms at one point as well. It is just a mater of the time frame we are using.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by canio6 View Post
        I'm a British American. Born in England to English parents and became a naturalized US citizen. If my ancestors, god knows how many generations ago, were Neanderthal or African or hell, came from some other planet, it doesn't matter one iota.
        I'm German & British (brit side from arab origin around the crusades)


        To the OP:
        Last time I checked even neanderthal were from Africa......just sayin'

        And it doesn't matter really, all humans are from 1k-10k breeding pairs 70k years ago so all arguments are mute that made are mute, sorry...

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        • #5
          I cant understand how some people wants to feel like they belong to the neanderthal, rather than the african ancestrors. And yeah, even neanderthals are african.

          Havent they seen the life-sized dolls of neanderthals? They look very different from us. I think theres no way we have any benefit, or some people more than others, from having neanderthal-genes in us. They are so few we are pretty much normal african people.

          Im swedish, but my relatives came from northern france a couple of hunded years ago, I probably have neanderthal-genes in me, but theres no way they can affect me and make me different.

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          • #6
            I'm a born and bred Texan but have worked a good bit of the last 20 years somewhere or the other in Africa. Currently I'm in Egypt. I'm proud to be a Texan because, well hell, its Texas ! 'nuff said

            But I have no problems with having African ancestory and yes, I'm a white guy.
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            • #7
              What the fuck is the point of this whole speculation? Who "wants to be neanderthal and not african?" Or vice versa, for that matter?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by tfarny View Post
                What the fuck is the point of this whole speculation? Who "wants to be neanderthal and not african?" Or vice versa, for that matter?
                I'm just a modern guy trying to eat better. The rest of it (Grok) is just marketing that makes us all look silly.
                she's baiting the racists in the forums
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                • #9
                  I get irritated when people try to find racists motivation wherever they can. Heck, we can't even disgree with some politicians without being accused of racism these days it seems

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                  • #10
                    It wasn't called Africa back 10,000+ years ago... So no, I can't say I'm part African. I have no problem saying humans originated in what is now called Africa, and have nothing against African or black people... But I don't consider it any part of my heritage.

                    I am, in fact, interested in visiting the African plains, though.
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                    • #11
                      Pick up a book called Guns Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond to get a really good look at our ancestry and where we all came from and when. That said, I really think this is a self righteous attempt to bait some people into saying what she said is BS, which is in and of itself a BS thing to do. So I think while I might look like a modern anglo-cave man, calling myself African is like calling my Yorkie a Timber Wolf.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by kenn View Post
                        she's baiting the racists in the forums
                        Yep.

                        The current theory is Neanderthals still came from Africa. They just migrated out before homo sapiens.



                        What dis about Africa mon? We are from Jah-may-ca mon!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by tfarny View Post
                          What the fuck is the point of this whole speculation? Who "wants to be neanderthal and not african?" Or vice versa, for that matter?
                          I'm just a modern guy trying to eat better. The rest of it (Grok) is just marketing that makes us all look silly.
                          I agree. I read the original post and was completely confused because I've never picked up on any anti-African, Neanderthal envy here at MDA.

                          I see the race card played far too often in my political reading. I'm sad to see it popping up in my health reading.

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                          • #14
                            Here I was thinking we were all partly Cylon. At least that's what Battlestar Galactica tells me.

                            That's a documentary, right?

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                            • #15
                              Ok, but more seriously, I guess the appeal of being a descendant of a Neanderthal to a racist person would be the assumption that they looked more 'refined' for lack of a better term. A new Neanderthal museum opened near me in Krapina, Croatia, and lifesize models of Neanderthal families they set up there look like this:



                              Light skin, eyes and hair, refined features...

                              Should anyone be visiting this museum, please drop me a message and I'll be your personal guide for the area
                              PS racists and elitists need not apply

                              I've tried to get directions from Google Maps on how to get from Africa to Krapina, Croatia, but it says it can't calculate. Weird. How did the Neanderthals find their way then?

                              Google Maps link here

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