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    I am sitting on my couch here, enduring what has turned out to be a 17 hour long hangover (which is finally starting to ease), and cursing at myself for letting it happen. It all started as me walking to the liquor store and buying a six pack of a rather delicious beer (Abbey, by New Belgium), and thinking to myself "I'll just have one tonight".

    Well, one turned to two, then three, then six... And I didn't think to drink any water either last night. I woke up and had a pounding headache, and felt the typical hangover symptoms. It was so bad, in fact, that I had to call in to work and say I couldn't come in (no mention of a hangover though...).

    This is not a new story for me, but this time, it brought a few things home. First of all, how could I be so stupid to drink in the first place the night before I have to work in the morning? And why couldn't I limit myself to just one? I can finally see the error of my ways, and that's the first step.

    My response to this situation? Anybody can say one should practice moderation, or save it for the weekends, or just stop entirely. But I seem to always forget the consequence and do it anyways. So I resolved to stop entirely. I'm better off without it, and there's no reason to try to moderate when you abstain. The problem is, I've quit many times and eventually fell off the wagon. I can't say this time will be different, I know for damn sure I want it to be. So that's why I am posting this. Not for a pity party, or attention, but just to post it in the first place. I want to write it down and look at it, and remind myself everyday if need be. I'm sick of being sick, and sick of being dumb enough to let myself feel this way.
    "All of God's creatures have a natural habitat... my dinner plate." -Me

  • #2
    You drank beer? lol.....since I quit eating grains, I dropped everything that is made with grains (beer, sauces, etc...) beer also makes me sick now

    Switch to dry wine or cider, i did and have no hangovers
    Starting Date: Dec 18, 2010
    Starting Weight: 294 pounds
    Current Weight: 235 pounds
    Goal Weight: 195 pounds

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    • #3
      I've never liked beer. Maybe that makes it easier. Liquor however...

      I generally don't drink, but when I do drink I enjoy it. By enjoy it I mean one, or two, or several. Depends on the situation, but it doesn't happen often. I can be thankful that I don't get hangovers- or at the very least my body's version of a hangover is just feeling sluggish and slightly tender skin. *shrug*

      How you want to handle alcohol is up to you. However I would say avoid beer and similar beverages. Wine is best, but I find liquor enjoyable also.

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      • #4
        The issue isn't what the drink is made of, but the alcohol in general. Regardless of it being beer, wine, rum, cider, fermented goats milk... It's the intoxicant in the beverage I take issue with. I love having one or two drinks every now or then, but I've been less and less likely to stop at one or two, and it's more often than not more than "every now and then".
        "All of God's creatures have a natural habitat... my dinner plate." -Me

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        • #5
          If it is hard to stop, even if you aren't getting drunk, you have a problem. You already know that you have a problem or you wouldn't have posted here. That is a fortunate thing---the knowing. Talk to someone in AA. They all understand and want to help.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by periquin View Post
            If it is hard to stop, even if you aren't getting drunk, you have a problem. You already know that you have a problem or you wouldn't have posted here. That is a fortunate thing---the knowing. Talk to someone in AA. They all understand and want to help.
            Was getting the same feeling from the last post as well....

            I drink once in a blue & heavily, but I don't spend all day thinking about drinking, thats how I separate the two concepts...
            Starting Date: Dec 18, 2010
            Starting Weight: 294 pounds
            Current Weight: 235 pounds
            Goal Weight: 195 pounds

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            • #7
              Originally posted by kenn View Post
              You drank beer? lol.....since I quit eating grains, I dropped everything that is made with grains (beer, sauces, etc...) beer also makes me sick now

              Switch to dry wine or cider, i did and have no hangovers
              Oh god....last weekend my co-worker had his annual "bad beer" festival. I think I had a total of 3 good beers and a tasting of 10 "bad" beers so maybe only 4 beers total. Headache/hangover lasted 36 hours...

              Never again! No issues with red wine...

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              • #8
                You can't rationalise it. Sometimes its just the dulling feeling you want. I can go months without, but (like all things) if I have a bit, I crave the dampening effect, sometimes I wonder if I have a problem - when its 8 pm and you have felt hungover and sick all day and still do and still want to finish the day dulled by more alcohol...

                at least you are aware of it. For me - I can go months without but then will have half a bottle socially then will get more on way home and then have 4 mths of drinking heavily every night. But I can stop and go without without intervention. Even having to vex over it speaks volumes, I know it does for me. I hope you can find out what works for you...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by periquin View Post
                  If it is hard to stop, even if you aren't getting drunk, you have a problem. You already know that you have a problem or you wouldn't have posted here. That is a fortunate thing---the knowing. Talk to someone in AA. They all understand and want to help.
                  AA works for some and not for others. I would also suggest contacting someone in Smart Recovery. Same concepts, different toolbox. Either way, you have to decide for yourself that you need help and actively seek it.

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                  • #10
                    I'm not into the AA thing, too religious for me. I always considered it to be a food thing. I used to drink a ton of energy drinks every day, Gatorade, juices, coffee drinks from starbucks... I never had an urge to get drunk, but the taste of the beer/wine/whisky is what compels me, same as energy drinks like AMP or Full Throttle. This may be wishful thinking or rationalization, but it's what I'm going with. If I can give up junk food, this will be the same.
                    "All of God's creatures have a natural habitat... my dinner plate." -Me

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                    • #11
                      SOS:
                      drug - alcohol - addiction - SOS-Save Our Selves - Non 12 Step
                      Yahoo! Groups

                      SMART:
                      SMART RecoveryŽ | Self Help for Alcoholism & Addiction
                      SMART Self-Management And Recovery Training - Powered by vBulletin

                      LifeRing:
                      http://www.unhooked.com/index.htm
                      http://forums.delphiforums.com/lifering/…

                      WFS:
                      http://www.womenfor sobriety.org/

                      HAMS: Harm Reduction for Alcohol and Other Substances
                      http://www.hamshrn.org/index.html
                      Yahoo! Groups

                      RR:
                      Rational Recovery | Welcome to Rational Recovery

                      And with all those options, the majority of people, 80%, quit on their
                      own.

                      "Another estimate is that at least 50% of alcoholics eventually free themselves although only 10% are ever treated. One recent study found that 80% of all alcoholics who recover for a year or more do so on their own, some after being unsuccessfully treated. When a group of these self-treated alcoholics was interviewed, 57% said they simply decided that alcohol was bad for them. Twenty-nine percent said health problems, frightening experiences, accidents, or blackouts persuaded them to quit. Others used such phrases as "Things were building up" or "I was sick and tired of it." Support from a husband or wife was important in sustaining the resolution."
                      Treatment of Drug Abuse and Addiction — Part III, The Harvard Mental Health Letter, October 1995.

                      Personally, I feel that all those groups are great for those who have
                      been through AA and have had it pounded into their heads that they NEED a group in order to quit. That's BS, but AA has been very successful in getting people to believe that piece of misinformation.
                      Starting Date: Dec 18, 2010
                      Starting Weight: 294 pounds
                      Current Weight: 235 pounds
                      Goal Weight: 195 pounds

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                      • #12
                        SOS:
                        drug - alcohol - addiction - SOS-Save Our Selves - Non 12 Step
                        Yahoo! Groups

                        SMART:
                        SMART RecoveryŽ | Self Help for Alcoholism & Addiction
                        SMART Self-Management And Recovery Training - Powered by vBulletin

                        LifeRing:
                        http://www.unhooked.com/index.htm
                        http://forums.delphiforums.com/lifering/…

                        WFS:
                        http://www.womenfor sobriety.org/

                        HAMS: Harm Reduction for Alcohol and Other Substances
                        http://www.hamshrn.org/index.html
                        Yahoo! Groups

                        RR:
                        Rational Recovery | Welcome to Rational Recovery

                        And with all those options, the majority of people, 80%, quit on their
                        own.

                        "Another estimate is that at least 50% of alcoholics eventually free themselves although only 10% are ever treated. One recent study found that 80% of all alcoholics who recover for a year or more do so on their own, some after being unsuccessfully treated. When a group of these self-treated alcoholics was interviewed, 57% said they simply decided that alcohol was bad for them. Twenty-nine percent said health problems, frightening experiences, accidents, or blackouts persuaded them to quit. Others used such phrases as "Things were building up" or "I was sick and tired of it." Support from a husband or wife was important in sustaining the resolution."
                        Treatment of Drug Abuse and Addiction — Part III, The Harvard Mental Health Letter, October 1995.




                        Me, personally despite how much I enjoy and like drinking have been preparing myself for a Luigi Cornaro lifestyle

                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Cornaro
                        Starting Date: Dec 18, 2010
                        Starting Weight: 294 pounds
                        Current Weight: 235 pounds
                        Goal Weight: 195 pounds

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                        • #13
                          I still wonder if there is a link between sugar cravings and alcohol cravings. I don't have a lot of expertise in that area, just 14 years with an alcoholic, but he had a lot of friends that were as well, and they all had the same body type and loved the same foods. I don't really know, to be honest.

                          I find I can't drink alcohol anymore. I never could drink wine (sulfites) and I don't do well with beer (grains) but I tried some others recently and it just made me feel like crap, immediately and the next day. Not worth it to me. If it is worth it to feel like crap, then I would think there is definitely a problem.
                          Durp.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by kenn View Post
                            Me, personally despite how much I enjoy and like drinking have been preparing myself for a Luigi Cornaro lifestyle

                            Luigi Cornaro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
                            I don't know if that would actually make you live forever, or just make it feel like an eternity.
                            Durp.

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                            • #15
                              I'm not going to get on a high horse and tell you that you have a drinking problem based on this limited posting. I think it's a question of whether you can drink moderately ever. That's not clear here and something you need to determine. Clearly, you weren't able do so the other night and it sounds as if it's something that has happened before. I find I can drink moderately in some situations and other situations I have to avoid.

                              For example: I can't drink at home by myself. One glass of wine slides into two and the next thing I know the bottle is finished. It's terrible and I don't want to live this way. But I know this is how I operate so I know I can't open a bottle of wine at home and start drinking it.
                              Maybe, you can go out with friends and have only 1-2 drinks and maybe it's only some friends and others are trouble. I can drink around some friends as I know I'll only have one glass. Others, I know they will refill my glass all night until I pour myself into a cab - which is, in my opinion a generous but evil host - so I always tell them I'm taking meds and can't drink. Friends going out who drink far more than I want to but I love to see, I always arrange an early time to leave and someone to meet.
                              That's how it is for me and I have to avoid situations where I indulge beyond what is acceptable my health and my self respect. Your situations may be different than mine and you need to decide what changes you need to make and whether you can drink moderately at all. If you ignore the triggers you do have a problem - if you pay attention to them, you are an adult.
                              My primal journal that I don't update enough:
                              http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33293.html

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