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    For anyone who uses Netflix as their primal indulgence ( I use Netflix through stream rather than cable) there is a new documentary on there called Fat, Sick & nearly Dead. Im watching it right now and its absurd. Its basic idea is the key to health is a 60 day fast of only fruit and vegetable juicing. Its worth a watch and a good rant.. be warned its awful.

  • #2
    I JUST watched that this evening. Actually there are quite a few really good documentaries on Netflix.

    Some other good docs to watch:
    Radically Simple
    Ingredients
    Fat Head
    King Corn
    Freakonomics
    Food Beware: The French Organic Revolution
    The Future of Food
    What's On Your Plate
    How to Cook Your Life
    Deconstructing Supper

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Diana Renata View Post
      I JUST watched that this evening. Actually there are quite a few really good documentaries on Netflix.

      Some other good docs to watch:
      Radically Simple
      Ingredients
      Fat Head
      King Corn
      Freakonomics
      Food Beware: The French Organic Revolution
      The Future of Food
      What's On Your Plate
      How to Cook Your Life
      Deconstructing Supper
      Indeed, I actually learned about primal diet from doing follow up research after watching Fat Head. Ive watched it a few times actually. Im still watching this movie though and Im still face palming.

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      • #4
        By total freaky coincidence, I *just* finished watching this via NetFlix streaming. In fact, I still have tears in my eyes. What's so awful about it, again??

        Lately I've been getting into more raw foods and have been juicing every morning, although I still am eating cooked food, including meat, for dinner. I'm down another size*, I'm beginning to get "the glow", and I feel fan-freaking-tastic. It's really kicked it up to a whole other level for me.


        ETA: *after a long stall
        Last edited by TigerLily; 07-14-2011, 09:15 PM.
        "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -- Hippocrates

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        • #5
          Perhaps a silly part would be the fact that they cut out all junk food for 60 days, and then suggest that juicing had much of a role and that juicing is the really hot ticket that everyone NEEDS to get behind. They got rid of the junk! Fruits and vegetables are great and provide nutrients that many people are lacking, but to suggest that people need to consume nothing but juice is sensationalist hogwash. They could have meat, eggs and fat and cooked potatoes and other vegetables, I use a steamer, and they would probably improve even more because they wouldn't be denying themselves nutrients not easily found in raw fruits and vegetables. Sounds like irrational ideology to me. "Oh but stabby juicing is so great yaaay juice it is like da shiznit" if you can use to it get more potassium and magnesium that's super, but why limit someone to that?. Carotenoids are better absorbed from cooked vegetables. It's a very specific reaction that busts open the cellulose and you need heat.

          If I had to make one of these films it would be boring and nobody would watch it
          Last edited by Stabby; 07-14-2011, 09:26 PM.
          Stabbing conventional wisdom in its face.

          Anyone who wants to talk nutrition should PM me!

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          • #6
            The 100% juicing in the movie was only done for a brief period (60 days for the main character, 10 days for another, another was still eating what he wanted and was using the juice as an adjunct and still benefited) as a system reboot. Nobody ever said anything anywhere about exclusive juicing for eternity. Towards the end, it shows Aussie Joe (main character) eating cooked food and nobody at any time says anything about not eating meat. On the food pyramid that is shown several times, it includes meat.
            "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -- Hippocrates

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            • #7
              People get the same awesome turnaround on paleo diets including more types of food. Seems unnecessary. it is sensationalism. And perhaps I shouldn't be so critical because there is success with it, but there are going to be people who really don't want to do that, and they shouldn't. My personal recs to those people would include at least one big animal protein meal per day, preferably in the morning, and some protein like bone broth and gelatin powder, for repairs. Nothing but juice is a very catabolic diet and it doesn't provide the stuff needed to repair the body, particularly the gut. Heck they won't even synthesize all of the glutathione they need, and I don't think glutathione is properly absorbed through the gut, it gets destroyed before much of it absorbs.

              Again, it's hard to argue because there is success, but I don't go around praising success, only assailing what I perceive to be inadequacies, even when otherwise good.
              Stabbing conventional wisdom in its face.

              Anyone who wants to talk nutrition should PM me!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Stabby View Post
                If I had to make one of these films it would be boring and nobody would watch it
                In light of the fact that a one sided piece of biased rhetoric like 'Supersize Me' was nominated for numerous awards including an Oscar for 'Best Documentary', I'm sadly inclined to agree.

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                • #9
                  My personal opposition is not to the idea of juicing. Juicing is an easy way to get healthy carbs into your body easily. The part I thought to be absolutely awful was that they truly believe only drinking juice for 2 months is healthy. How can someone really think thats the way we were intended to nourish our body... Along with this they had their own food pyramid which I believe starting at the base was "Veggies and fruits, then Legumes and beans, (forgot the one next to it) then chicken poultry and eggs with beef and sugars at the top". I still cant understand why people believe we are not supposed to eat meat. They even open admitted and documented that in the first 2 days you slip into a huge hunger depression where you can hardly leave bed and just have numerous bowel movements... really?!?
                  Last edited by aireals; 07-15-2011, 03:50 AM.

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                  • #10
                    My morbidly obese brother saw this film via Netflix over a week ago and was inspired to buy a juicer that night and start juicing. He is still eating small amounts of other foods. He has a lapband, which he has managed to eat (and drink sugar!) around and maintained his weight without success in losing much. Now, in 1 week of juicing he is down 7 lbs. I honestly believe that his body is getting real nourishment for the first time in a long while, as he usually can only eat very small portions of regular foods. He usually eats no bread or pasta thanks to the lapband, but can manage small amounts of rice. He drinks alot of dairy.

                    In support of his efforts, I have just finished an 8 day "modified juice fast", allowing myself some healthy fats as coconut milk in coffee and 2 avocados per day. I have dropped 6 lbs, lots of inches and 2% BF. And I feel absolutely fantastic! I consider it a "cleanse" or "reboot", not a permanent WOE, like Tiger Lily said above. My vegetable consumption has skyrocketted this past week, and I was already a good veggie eater.

                    I haven't yet seen the movie as it's not available on Canadian Netflix, but I am travelling to see my state-side brother next week. So far, I've only seen the trailer and visited the website. Nobody there is advocating it as a forever diet. Just a really effective reboot.

                    Fastinating to hear of your experience, LC. Wow!

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                    • #11
                      Many vegetables (especially leafy greens) have anti-inflammatory properties. A brief fast drinking juice from these anti-inflammatory vegetables is not at all a bad way to start a healing diet. I personally would tend towards using the whole plant in a smoothie, but that's just me. It is a seriously healthy way to repair damage done by years of forcing crap through your digestive system. The easily digestible fiber also helps give your gut bacteria a chance to thrive, and can repair damage done, as long as you tend more towards leafy greens and less towards fruit (though fruit can be used to mask the terrible flavor).

                      Is it going to provide all the nutrients that you need? No, of course not. But it will let your body heal a bit, so that when you add in other nutrient dense foods, your body can actually break them down and use them.

                      That having been said, is it necessary? Of course not. Your digestive system will heal eventually by just cutting out inflammatory foods. But it can certainly help speed up the process. Adding in a regime of bone broth helps speed the process even more.


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                      • #12
                        i read the description and just figured it was a vegan/vegetarian propaganda movie
                        Primal Chaos
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                        6-19-2011 393lbs 60" waist
                        current 338lbs 49" waist
                        goal 240lbs 35" waist

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                        • #13
                          ^Not at all.

                          It's much more about healing yourself with unprocessed foods (you know, uh, sort of like Primal).

                          I haven't been able to get this movie out of my mind since last night. The trucker!

                          I had already been riding this wavelength, so for the last couple of weeks I'd been half-assedly contemplating a brief juice fast anyway. But after seeing this movie and reading about martha's experience, I am now seriously considering it. I don't know how many days I'd commit to, though. I really like martha's idea to modify it to include avocado for fat. I freeze-framed the movie where they showed the recipe for "Mean Green" and wrote it all down.

                          To the PP who cured herself of stage IV (!) cancer with juicing: YOU ROCK, LADY. I BOW BEFORE YOU. I personally know two people here in my city who have done the same (they are neighbors and now co-survivors).
                          "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -- Hippocrates

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                          • #14
                            @ Tiger Lily They have a website and the Mean Green and other recipes are on that site. I haven't tried it, just noticed it there.

                            If you read my thread, I've journalled each day of the juice fast. http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread28436.html

                            Good luck with it - it really feels good!

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                            • #15
                              I will def. go check out your journal. I was on the verge of PMing you to ask you what juice(s) you were/are having, but I'll just head over there.

                              Oh, I know it feels really good, woman! Even with what little I've been doing, I feel like a warrior and -- sounds cheesy, I know -- alive in a way I've never felt before. And I'm getting so vain. Can't stop looking in the mirror at my skin.


                              Ginger
                              "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -- Hippocrates

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