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  • #31
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    "Vegan's just another word for "nothing left to eat" "


    http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/01/vegans_just_another_word_for_n.php


    I finally found the site I was looking for: http://www.beyondveg.com/index.shtml Clicking on any of the topics will open a page of abstracts by many writers. Most, as I recall, as well cited or offer sharp insights.

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    • #32
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      I have to agree with Del Mar that vegans in general sometimes get ridiculed with unfair viciousness around here. Not all vegans are wasted little twigs.


      The photos in this post (link below) were taken in summer 2008, when I was 30 and had been flegan for about 2 years.


      http://inthenightfarm.blogspot.com/2009/11/liberty-work.html


      I don't think I looked emaciated or unhealthy, and I felt great. (And for the record, I also enjoyed preparing a wide variety of tasty, clean meals.) So how much "flex" was in flegan, you ask? Meat/fish/poultry maybe once every 2 months. Small amount of egg (in cornbread or somesuch) once every couple weeks. Small amount of dairy (FF yogurt as a condiment, or cheese atop a bowl of chili) once every couple weeks.


      As others have said -- vegan may not be BEST, but it's not necessarily a death sentence, either.


      (That said, I agree that the OP sounds very underweight.)

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      • #33
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        I assume that Dr. Oz didn't share with his viewers what else the "meat eater" was eating in is diet. I would also like to know what the "heart of an 85 year old" looks like. I agree with the others that the change from crap food to whole foods in general contributed to health.


        I don't believe vegan is the best way to eat for me, but I do think some thrive on it, for awhile at least. This looks to be an interesting website:


        http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/?page=galleries

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        • #34
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          Beautiful horse, Barb!

          Start weight: 250 - 06/2009
          Current weight: 199
          Goal: 145

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          • #35
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            Hey, thanks Katt. The horse is the Barb (name of a very rare breed), actually. She's my endurance mount. I'm Tamara.

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            • #36
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              Wow! Such a "spirited" discussion. I just want to offer that I am not "trolling". I am sincerely immersing myself in this because I have come to believe I am not going to thrive as a raw vegan. What it has given me is a lot of insight into how completely corrupt the food and medical industries have become. It has taught me to go all organic, all REAL foods and for that I am forever changed. But to be honest I just don't see not eating more traditional proteins so I am opening my brain.


              Thanx BarbeyGirl and really to everyone. I am not offended and do not mean to offend. I am here to find my highest health. I really appreciate Mark's voice and what I love most is that despite having a very clear direction, he seems very open to discussing just about anything. So many people are so dogmatic with their philosphies which is a real disservice to ever opening one's mind. I have learned a lot in the last few years that really required me to discard much of what we have been taught and I am all the better for it.

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              • #37
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                Mel, I can see that you will be a valuable poster here! Well said about everything you did.

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                • #38
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                  Hear hear!

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                  • #39
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                    Ok, Tamara. I love horses and used to spend quite a bit of time studying the various breeds. I recognize the name. Gorgeous.


                    We're all here to find our health, I believe. Things will be somewhat different from person to person, though there are some constants that one can recognize... which have already been mentioned.

                    Start weight: 250 - 06/2009
                    Current weight: 199
                    Goal: 145

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                    • #40
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                      OnTheBayou - I have not made up my mind about staying raw vegan yet and I am not trying to convert anyone to a raw vegan diet because I do not know if it is truly the best diet or not. I just wanted to hear other people's experiences with it. Searching on Google for raw vegan information brings up almost nothing but praise for the diet. And all those sites showing big muscular raw vegans. I have read the beyondveg site, but it is one of very few that doesn't promote it as the healthiest diet.


                      Here is another interesting article I found about it: http://ryan-koch.blogspot.com/2009/03/storm-family-degenerating-raw-foodists.html


                      I am also curious about the argument with humans having a longer intestines than carnivores. According to some this means that humans are meant to be herbivores because our intestines is too long to be consuming a lot of meat which takes much longer to digest than plant foods. In carnivorous animals the meat will pass quickly through their shorter intestines. Here is an article explaining why humans are herbivores: http://www.sssbiotic.com/content/human_article.asp


                      And I did weigh myself in the morning today and I was 122. I had been staying between 124 - 125 for several weeks now.

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                      • #41
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                        darien, I'll see your unscientific, obviously-an-advertising-promo article about "why humans are herbivores" and raise you some reputable science from Dr. Michael Eades.


                        http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/peta-cspi-and-other-menaces/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-i/


                        http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-ii/


                        When you've read those, come back.

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                        • #42
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                          Ack you're dropping weight!?! NOT GOOD!!! Darien you don't have any weight to lose! What does this weight loss tell you about your current health?

                          The more I see the less I know for sure.
                          -John Lennon

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                          • #43
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                            Thanks for the articles Griff. Very interesting. I'm still reading part 2. And lil_earthmomm, maybe it tells me I need to be eating more fruit to keep my weight up?

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                            • #44
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                              darien, go eat some fatty steak. Please. You will feel better afterwards and you won't be dying of malnutrition as you currently are.

                              Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

                              Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


                              Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

                              My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

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                              • #45
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                                Really skinny people ('underweight' by BMI) can be perfectly healthy, as can people in the so-called 'ideal' weight range, and those who are considered overweight or obese. There is huge variation in humans. Plus, very picture I have ever seen of hunter-gathers and other people still eating traditional foods with plenty of animal fat - shows people on the thin side. See these pics:


                                http://www.fotobank.ru/img/JW01-1653.jpg?size=l

                                http://fotobank.ru/image/JW01-1657.html

                                http://i1.treklens.com/photos/6715/masai_dance...jpg

                                http://portal.unesco.org/education/en/files/5798/1031

                                7323921masai_2.jpg/masai_2.jpg

                                http://www.windows.ucar.edu/earth/polar/images/lc_inuit

                                3_sm.jpg

                                http://www.nmm.ac.uk/tserver.php?f=G04262.jpg&w=400&legacyResize


                                As Weston A Price observed, being raised on a diet very high in protein and fat seems to produce a more narrow bone structure and less bulky muscles. This is easily observed in domestic animals as well, as I know from reading up on breeders who feed their dogs a biologically appropriate raw diet.


                                I have the same BMI as darian, and I have perfect health. I am very thin but have fat, muscles, and look normal - in fact I look much like the people in the pictures above, more so than I look like Americans. Of course, I haven't experienced any weight loss, and if I had I would be concerned.


                                To darian: I think if you add the animal products to your diet as the man you mentioned who lived to be 90, you will be in fairly good shape. Just make sure you are getting enough calories, fat, and protein. I know as a naturally thin person with a fast metabolism, I wouldn't be able to eat enough fruit, nuts and seeds to keep me feeling good for long.

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