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  • #46
    Ok, I gave you some blogs so I had to go check out 30BD. OMG! I had heard of it but I didn't realize it was an actual whole community of fruit eaters. That is the saddest site I have ever seen. I feel very sorry for them.

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    • #47
      Former Raw Vegan. Its a great healing diet if balanced, but after a while you're healed and it's time to start living. After reading your posts and comments I can see you're still very much in the "cooked food is poison" mindset, even if those words haven't come through. There are so many types of raw foodists as well as raw vegans that everyone ends up getting confused on who's "raw glow" is the brightest. I was in the Gabriel Cousens camp, all low glycemic veg, limited low glycemic fruits and nuts. I ended up severely underweight and protein deficient. Actually spent a few days in the hospital after a collapse and then months in the doctors office suffering with re-feeding syndrome. When I started RAW was a great thing, totally cleared out my system, but once my system was cleared...Well, my body had to start eating itself. I never went fruititarian or even close because I ad brainwashed myself into extreme fear of any fruit that had a glycemic index rating of more than 20. Apples made it into my diet once a month at most, a moderate glycemic impact fruit that I would literally berate myself for eating for hours. If I'd just been stronger, why did I give in to the temptation, you can't cleans with sugar in your system feeding the candida.... On and on it went.
      I say all that to say this. RAW is a mindset, borderline obsession almost, and it takes a while to break that habit, those thoughts, Paleo/Primal is a great way to transition your thinking and your living into a healthier lifestyle. Good luck to you and keep looking for your own answers.
      Don't let anyone tell you exactly how it will work for you because thats exactly how it worked for them. It's your body, you're living in it, treat it well.
      "It is not what you are that holds you back, it is what you think you're not."
      Denis Waitley

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      • #48
        Here's one way to increase fat that might not trigger you quite so badly. Have coconut oil. Most of the good ones have a slight coconut flavor and scent, and one or two spoonfuls is enough to quiet the carb cravings for a while.
        Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

        Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


        Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

        My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

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        • #49
          Originally posted by aktres View Post
          Ok, I gave you some blogs so I had to go check out 30BD. OMG! I had heard of it but I didn't realize it was an actual whole community of fruit eaters. That is the saddest site I have ever seen. I feel very sorry for them.
          What, 30 Batsh*ts a Day? Yeah...
          Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

          Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


          Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

          My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Griff View Post
            What, 30 Batsh*ts a Day? Yeah...
            The first time I saw that site (only because it was referenced on MDA), I thought it was some kind of elaborate gag set up by some primal people as a spoof. Then I figured out that these people actually believe what they are saying. Holy Cr*p. What will they think of next?

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            • #51
              30 day Paleo/Primal trial...

              I am actually starting a 30 day trial of primal/paleo eating and am going to be documenting each day on my website. I will post a link here to that page as soon as I have it up and running...

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              • #52
                I'm glad to hear it. I think you will feel amazingly better.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Ajax View Post
                  Griff, that's fascinating! Are you focusing on any specific culture/belief system?
                  At the moment, no - I'm trying to get a generalized idea of the processes and functions underlying this phenomenon. But that's certainly an avenue to do a lot of comparative research in the overall program I'm proposing - I see the dissertation as groundwork for a subfield of study.
                  Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

                  Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


                  Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

                  My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

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                  • #54
                    Fruitlover, I was a raw vegan (high raw for a long time and then 100% for about 6 mos. with 15 yrs. of vegetarianism before that). I got to know a lot of raw foodists over on the Give It To Me Raw forums and I'm still friends with many of them.

                    Let me tell you, NONE of my friends are still totally raw and very few are still vegan. I saw a number of them get really sick on high fruit/low fat and eventually go paleo (and get much better). Many of them gained weight on high fruit. Some nearly lost their minds on high fruit- they became very unstable, mentally. Many developed severe adrenal fatigue.
                    I noticed that the female co-leader of that certain low fat fruitarian site (who I won't name) is starting to look way too skinny as of late. She used to have nice, muscular arms and now they're sticks. I think her body is finally starting to tap into her muscles for protein.

                    I have many friends who abandoned veganism and now eat fish and eggs but keep pretty quiet about it because they have so many vegan friends. Really, the tide has turned against veganism in the raw community, with people like the Raw Model and Daniel Vitalis becoming omnivores and even Paul Nison doing eggs and goat dairy.

                    As for myself, I started having very vivid dreams telling me to eat meat. I was never able to heal being veg. or raw. I had many nagging health issues and I hoped raw would be the answer, but it wasn't. I later found out that I'm gluten intolerant and have an autoimmune disease and with a Paleo/Primal diet and a good functional health practitioner, I feel (and look) better now than I ever have in my adult life.
                    http://www.prettyinprimal.blogspot.com

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                    • #55
                      Amazing story hazyjane! Thank you so much for taking the time to post here. It is stunning to me how many former veggies and raw people are on this forum. I know I'm in good company!

                      This is the single most powerful thing I've ever read by an ex-vegan. Have you read it? If not, pull up a chair and get ready to have your socks knocked off :-)

                      A Vegan No More | Voracious

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                      • #56
                        And Hazyjane, I completely agree with you about you-know-who looking scary skinny these days. I have noticed the same thing, as well as the obvious signs of mental imbalanced demonstrated by her and her boyfriend, both of whom I (am almost ashamed to admit) used to look up to. Shudder.

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                        • #57
                          I've seen this briefly mentioned, but not explained full force: yes, you can be addicted to fruit, but it is not a normal, "mental" type addiction. I know for me, personally, my fruit addiction is almost entirely rooted in candida overgrowth. Candida is an opportunistic fungus in your gut that feeds on sugar and always wants (and makes you think you NEED) more sugar and carbs. I have cut out sugar, including fruit, the last couple weeks (while adding in lots of probiotic food and healing bone broth), and tried to add it back in yesterday: bad bad reactions, loads of noxious smelling gas, yeast type itching in various places, generally feeling crappy. This was just from a single banana (ok, maybe 1.5 bananas, my son only ate half of his), and a spoonful of almond butter. It is a very obvious connection when you eliminate and add back offending foods.

                          If you think this might be your issue, take this Candida questionnaire and it will probably confirm that you have a serious overgrowth of candida in your gut.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Fruitlover View Post
                            This is the single most powerful thing I've ever read by an ex-vegan. Have you read it? If not, pull up a chair and get ready to have your socks knocked off :-)

                            A Vegan No More | Voracious
                            YES! It's quite the eye opening story for people who assume that veganism is healthy.
                            http://www.prettyinprimal.blogspot.com

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Fruitlover View Post
                              And Hazyjane, I completely agree with you about you-know-who looking scary skinny these days. I have noticed the same thing, as well as the obvious signs of mental imbalanced demonstrated by her and her boyfriend, both of whom I (am almost ashamed to admit) used to look up to. Shudder.
                              Well, at least you're not fooled anymore
                              She used to badger me over on GI2MR. I couldn't post without her or one of several others constantly hounding me after I went Paleo, so I left the site. I noticed a lot of the fruitarians becoming crazier, more aggressive and more illogical over the course of about a year. A lot of formerly nice people got so agrressive that they got kicked off the forums! It was so bizarre to watch (and that was what convinced me not to ever try high fruit/low fat, lol!)
                              http://www.prettyinprimal.blogspot.com

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by OperaDivaMom View Post
                                I've seen this briefly mentioned, but not explained full force: yes, you can be addicted to fruit, but it is not a normal, "mental" type addiction. I know for me, personally, my fruit addiction is almost entirely rooted in candida overgrowth.
                                There's also a thread about it here: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread6150.html
                                Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

                                Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


                                Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

                                My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

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