Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Ex-vegan seeking advice

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #16
    CoyoteVick, please see my reply to Griff on page 2. I respond to your post...

    Comment


    • #17
      Hi Aktres,

      It took me a year of mostly raw before I eliminated grains altogether. During my first year transitioning to raw, the only 3 cooked foods I allowed myself were brown rice, plain steamed potatoes, and steamed salmon. I ate plenty of brown rice, although nothing on the level that I used to before raw. I went ten months without no grains at all, then occasionally tried to eat brown rice, found it made me tired the next day, and so stopped. It's been a while since I had any brown rice. No interest in it.

      What made you make this observation? I know how bad grains are, obviously.

      Comment


      • #18
        Hmm... if, and I'm very skeptical this is the case, but if your blood sugar was stable on fruit, and the biggest symptoms was a loss of energy over time, then you're probably dealing with a lack of vitamins and minerals. Were you taking any kind of supplement? Because vitamin D, K, E, and several others really can not be found in non animal products, unless they are supplemented. And those are fat soluble vitamins anyway, which means even if you were supplementing with those vitamins, it wouldn't do you any good, because your body can't absorb those nutrients unless they are also eaten with fat.

        I really think the only way you are going to get healthy is to fully embrace a paleo/primal diet, and stop eating fruit for several weeks. Keep your carbs under 100 grams a day. Eat vitamin and nutrient dense food, from animals. It's going to be hell detoxing from all that sugar, but it's for the best. You can wean yourself off slowly, but the best way is just to white knuckle through for a few weeks.

        Your pancreas will thank you.


        Crap! I'm An Adult!

        My Primal Journal

        http://badquaker.com <--- podcast I'm a part of. Check it out if you like anarchy, geekiness and random ramblings.

        Comment


        • #19
          Nion, so weird, the one thing that makes me feel instantly better to eat is grass fed steak (I won't eat grain fed). Within an hour or so, I feel more energetic, alert and calm.

          I have, a couple of times, had this reaction to eating chicken, but it's more often made me tired the next day after eating it. Any clue as to why that would be? All this time, I've been assuming that it's high fat foods that make me lethargic. I can always predict feeling lethargic after eating a high fat piece of meat, other than steak.

          Comment


          • #20
            Thanks CoyoteVick. Yes, every symptom described is 100% accurate and true. Very, very stable blood sugar and moods.

            However, staying on this diet for the long-haul has proven to be unwise because of the gradual loss of energy (nothing dramatic, very subtle) and the thin, brittle hair and nails. My intention has been to enjoy the best of both worlds (keeping my treasured fruit while eating some meat protein each day). However, as I've described, that's not working so well, due to (I'm assuming) the combo of fat of fruit.

            The couple of times I've dipped my toe in the water with cutting back on fruit & potatoes have sent me fleeing with horror, because I get a clear taste of doom: it becomes obvious that doing this will, as you describe, make me feel like utter shit. Thus, I have been trying to tell myself not to do it, or anything that makes me feel that rotten can't be good for me.

            I also, admittedly, have a couple of trusted longtime raw sources trying to "reason" with me...

            Comment


            • #21
              So let me ask you this. Would you tell a cigarette addict that the solution to the way they feel when they stop smoking is to have a few puffs to feel better? Would you tell an alcoholic that having a few drinks will take the edge off the D.T.s? Would you say that withdrawing from tobacco or alcohol feels so bad that it can't be good for you in the long run?

              It's the same thing for you. The only reason you feel better after eating fruit and potatoes is that you're getting your fix. You are a sugar addict. Accept it, and deal with it, and go through the withdrawal, and get past it. Ditch the fruits, start supplementing some vitamins to make up for the mineral and vitamin deficiencies, and work it through.
              Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

              Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


              Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

              My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

              Comment


              • #22
                Thanks Griff.

                Still having a hard time accepting it's possible to be addicted to fresh fruit. This is a true WTF? moment for me.

                Can you explain to me why eating fruit makes you feel entirely different than eating table sugar? Cause I can't wrap my head around this.

                Comment


                • #23
                  Originally posted by Fruitlover View Post
                  Can you explain to me why eating fruit makes you feel entirely different than eating table sugar? Cause I can't wrap my head around this.
                  Sugar is sugar, dude. Fiber may slow down the absorption of it, but you will still get a crash if you have too much of it.

                  By the way, I don't feel any different from table sugar than I do from honey, maple syrup, an apple, or a peach. They are all high in sugar and they all make me feel awful. Strawberries - in strict moderation - are okay, but strict moderation means five berries once a week, not five baskets every day.

                  You can be addicted to anything. Your addiction is worse in some ways because it's both physical and psychological. But you want to be healthy, so you have to get past it. Yes, getting past it will suck, but six months from now you will look back on this time and say "Whoa. That was really crazy. I was an addict - and now I'm not."

                  I wish you luck.
                  Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

                  Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


                  Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

                  My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

                  Comment


                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Fruitlover View Post
                    Hi Griff! Thanks for writing. You look great. Congratulations on all your success with this lifestyle.

                    Would love to hear any advice/questions, and more about your days as a vegetarian. What made you stop that diet?
                    Watching my father die from gangrene and cancer at the age of 63, brought on by the high-fruit, high-sugar, high-grain, no-fat diet might have had something to do with it. I gained about 120 pounds going vegetarian over two years. I felt like crap all the time. I became a diabetic. And I was always, always hungry.

                    When I figured this out, I dropped vegetarianism like a hot potato (pun intended) and I've been Primal for a year and nine months. In August it'll be two years. I'm never going back.
                    Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

                    Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


                    Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

                    My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

                    Comment


                    • #25
                      "I don't feel any different from table sugar than I do from honey, maple syrup, an apple, or a peach."

                      But I do. Vastly different. We are not the same. People are not all the same (I don't believe).

                      "Your addiction is worse in some ways because it's both physical and psychological. But you want to be healthy, so you have to get past it."

                      As I've tried to explain, I've just been dipping my toe in the water so far, and am coming from years and years of exposure to high fruit/low fat writers and thinkers. What you are saying may seem obvious to you, but to me it is extremely radical and different. Everything you are saying would be dismissed in the world I've been a part of for so long as "fruit phobia." Or just plain crazy talk. ;-)

                      The fact that I'm even here is amazing to me, so go easy and be patient!

                      You referenced carb flu: do you mean what I'm describing when I have (gingerly) tried to get off fruit/potatoes?

                      Comment


                      • #26
                        Thanks for sharing the story about your dad. It definitely sounds like you've experienced some wonderful changes since adapting this lifestyle.

                        Comment


                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Fruitlover View Post
                          You referenced carb flu: do you mean what I'm describing when I have (gingerly) tried to get off fruit/potatoes?
                          Yes. It's withdrawal symptoms. They pass. Mine took about four days; my husband's took six weeks because he kept cheating.

                          Originally posted by Fruitlover View Post
                          Everything you are saying would be dismissed in the world I've been a part of for so long as "fruit phobia." Or just plain crazy talk. ;-)
                          As may be. The facts are that my bloodwork is wonderful and my health problems are gone. Can you say the same for yourself?

                          When the evidence contradicts the belief system, smart people believe the evidence and ditch the belief system. You know what you need to do. Conditioned or not, it's time to decide what you want to do for your own health and longevity.
                          Last edited by Griff; 05-12-2011, 03:57 PM.
                          Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

                          Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


                          Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

                          My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

                          Comment


                          • #28
                            Fruity, if you want answers, you need to read the books.

                            Griff is right -- but he's more sugar sensitive than other people, too. Heard of the glycemic index? things burn differently, affecting blood sugar, etc. Read the materials out there. There's a lot of information on how fruit sugars, processed sugars, honey, etc work on the body.

                            This does not mean, though, that you never, ever eat fruit. You just eat less fruit. In fact, you actually end up eating less volume in general. I usually eat two meals a day with a total caloric intake around 1600-1800 calories, those being in a split of 50% fats, 30% protien, 20% carbohydrates all from fruits and veggies. Mostly veggies, to be honest, but I have 1-2 servings of fruit per day most days.

                            I'm a former vegan, too, with some raw tendancies (i would say about 60-70% raw foods).

                            Comment


                            • #29
                              "When the evidence contradicts the belief system, smart people believe the evidence and ditch the belief system."

                              I love this! I would love to post this quote on 30 Bananas a Day and watch the chaos ensue. People in the vegan/raw communities are terrible about clinging to the belief system in spite of any mounting evidence of health problems. I could list some truly mind-boggling examples, you have no idea.

                              Comment


                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Fruitlover View Post
                                People in the vegan/raw communities are terrible about clinging to the belief system in spite of any mounting evidence of health problems. I could list some truly mind-boggling examples, you have no idea.
                                Actually, a lot of us have a very good idea! Lots of former vegetarians/vegans here.
                                Last edited by Dragonfly; 05-12-2011, 06:57 PM.
                                Ancestral Nutrition Coaching
                                Pregnancy Nutrition Coaching
                                Primal Pregnancy Nutrition Article

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X