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    Long-time lurker, first-time poster. Female, 55 years, 5’ 9”, 211 lbs. sedentary lifestyle (long necessary hours at a computer-staring, paper-shuffling job).

    I have read “The Primal Blueprint” and “Why We Get Fat”, as well as a good number of related articles and blogs. I eat vegetables, meat and eggs, with a bit of cheese and/or nuts between meals. I use extra virgin olive oil and have added some coconut oil. I haven’t had any grains or sugar whatsoever. I’ve used recipes from this website and other sites referenced here.

    I’m guess-timating that my caloric intake is between 1800-1900 calories. I estimate that my daily intake is about 40% protein, 40% fat and 15-20% carbs. Those are estimates, gleaned from my past experience of tracking what I eat.

    I didn’t register until today when I felt I had to share my profound disappointment in this concept.

    This is the start of the third week of my dietary change. I weight no less than I did three weeks ago; my measurements are the same; nothing has changed. The only positive characteristic that has come out of this exercise is that I haven’t *gained* any weight.

    I’m thinking I might start tracking my intake on Fitday or SparkPeople, but that thought is part of the disappointment --- I thought one of the great features of this way of eating was that one didn’t have to track every bite. As a matter of fact, I can’t count the number of postings I’ve seen here where people specifically write that the weight simply “falls off” without any calorie-counting or food-tracking.

    Here is yesterday’s menu:

    Eggs and bacon
    Handful of nuts
    About 1 to 2 oz cheddar
    Chicken thighs
    Zucchini stuffed with ground chicken and chopped veggies

    Today, I’ve two eggs, a plateful of leftover stuffed zucchini and one apple, cut into slices and dipped in two tablespoons of cashew butter. The apple was a treat. I'm feeling a little hungry as I type this, but don't know what to eat.

    I’ve seen some of the other posters being told to raise their fat intake, which is what prompted me to add coconut oil to my diet. I’ve seen people being advised to fast intermittently, but heck, if I wanted to track what I eat and go hungry, I could just go back to Weight Watchers.

    Just wondered if anyone else has had a similar lack of results.

  • #2
    Fruit, nuts and dairy...cut them out and then see what happens.

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    • #3
      Hi Callusses and welcome.

      I didn't have issues losing weight, but I normally lose fairly easily. Some people here who have difficulty losing under CW take a little longer to get jumpstarted here. I did check my calories on a site, just to see if I was in a caloric deficit. I don't check every day, but I take an average day and plug that in. It may give you some clues that can help. That is not to say you need to religiously plug your food in every day - just taking a look at an average day might help. I find I am notoriously bad at estimating actual calories/carbs/nutrients.

      Some people have issues with dairy, and cut it out and see results.

      If yesterday's meal was typical, it looks like the sort of thing that can give results in the long run.

      If you are under stress, it can stall weight loss, or if you have started a workout program and have sore muscles it can lead to water weight.

      If you have underlying health issues, this can add into the mix too. One of the things I did near the beginning is make sure that I was getting adequate nutrients, and supplementing where I was low. Part of it is to get your endocrine system back working as optimally as it can - this really facilitates the weight loss.

      I hope you find the answers you need.
      Karin

      A joyful heart is good medicine

      He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot

      Mmmmm. Real food is good.

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      • #4
        you mentioned you were only 3 wks in to the Primal WOE... my experience was I gained weight in the first month, then slowly began loosing by end of month 3 I had lost 2 pant sizes (14 down to a 10) but it took my body a while to adjust. Some people don't drop weight immediately. This is because sometimes the body puts priority on healing first, and weightloss second. One thing you NEED to do is ditch the sale, or put it away out of sight out of mind. take your measurements, and measure 1x/month - Go by how you feel do you have more energy? are your getting better sleep? are you eating when hungry?

        I do agree nuts can be a big hinderance - I used them as snacks until I got used to eating primaly not they are a once in a blue moon thing... maybe a couple times/week. Definatly track a week on fitday - to get an idea what you're eat %wise. then eat when hungry and stop when full.

        What are you doing for LHT? What are you doing for long slow movements - diet is a portion of how to achieve success you need to get in the LHT/move slowly/ & Spring 1x/week.
        The most depraved type of human being is the man without a purpose. ~ Ayn Rand
        What's your purpose? Mine is Optimal Health.

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        SW 190lb
        Leptin Reset Redux (1Sep 2011) SW 170lbs
        25 Sep 2011 160lbs
        1 Dec 2011 158lbs!
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        • #5
          longtime lurker, early poster as well...
          One of the most helpful threads to me was Paleobird's Reality Check: Counting Calories, the sheer size of which told me I wasn't the only one who had trouble losing weight on a non-counted paleo diet. The thread is now enormous, but a number of women there found it immensely helpful to track calories, increase protein, and decrease fat. Every body is different, obviously, but give that thread a read and see if you find some useful ideas. Paleobird started the thread at the end of February, which means folks on it have now had enough experience with it to see some substantial results.
          good luck!

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          • #6
            Where are the vegetables?

            Exercise?

            Both nuts and dairy are inflammatory. I've had two healthcare workers tell me now that an inflamed body is going to have a difficult time dropping any weight. (And that was certainly the case with me.)

            What about water intake? A chronically dehydrated body (as mine used to be) is going to hang onto everything possible.

            Are you drinking anything else, such as diet Coke?
            "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -- Hippocrates

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            • #7
              P.S. Totally agree about ditching that devil scale.
              "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -- Hippocrates

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              • #8
                If it were me, I'd calculate your calories for maintenance, then calculate your calories for a typical day's eats. You -don't- have to count calories for the rest of your Primal experience...but if right now you're eating 2500 calories, you're not going to lose weight. Play around with inputs a little, just to see what a day in a deficit would look like for you, foodwise, and try to stick to roughly that amount. As you become more acclimated to everything, your body should start telling you when it's hungry and full...but I know I personally have a broken full/hungry switch, so I need to use my eyes. Over time, you might find yourself hungrier one day and less so the next, but I do think it's good at first to use your head. Just my opinion though!

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                • #9
                  So maybe work on health. It seems like you have just got it in your head that as long as it's low carb it''s all good. That couldn't be further from the truth. Read until your eyes bleed.
                  Stabbing conventional wisdom in its face.

                  Anyone who wants to talk nutrition should PM me!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by thyme View Post
                    longtime lurker, early poster as well...
                    One of the most helpful threads to me was Paleobird's Reality Check: Counting Calories, the sheer size of which told me I wasn't the only one who had trouble losing weight on a non-counted paleo diet. The thread is now enormous, but a number of women there found it immensely helpful to track calories, increase protein, and decrease fat. Every body is different, obviously, but give that thread a read and see if you find some useful ideas. Paleobird started the thread at the end of February, which means folks on it have now had enough experience with it to see some substantial results.
                    good luck!
                    I'm glad it has been useful to others. If there are any questions I could help with, please let me know.

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                    • #11
                      More fat - try getting your fat to about 60% of calories. Less nuts. Some people don't do well with dairy. Ditch the scale. Be patient - agree with the poster about your body healing. Sometimes it takes a little while for it to sort itself out.

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                      • #12
                        If it's the start of your 3rd week, that's only 2 weeks. Patience.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Stabby View Post
                          So maybe work on health. It seems like you have just got it in your head that as long as it's low carb it''s all good. That couldn't be further from the truth. Read until your eyes bleed.
                          +1
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Springbean View Post
                            Fruit, nuts and dairy...cut them out and then see what happens.
                            Well, the apple was just a one-off, actually, but good suggestion. I’ll see what I can do. Thanks, Springbean!

                            Originally posted by bwhit View Post
                            If it's the start of your 3rd week, that's only 2 weeks. Patience.
                            Yes, I understand. It’s hard to be patient when you read so many people talking about the weight “falling off” within days . . . But you’re right. (Thanks!)

                            Originally posted by JKC View Post
                            Some people here who have difficulty losing under CW take a little longer to get jumpstarted here. I did check my calories on a site, just to see if I was in a caloric deficit. I don't check every day, but I take an average day and plug that in. It may give you some clues that can help . . .
                            Well, again, I’m a bit disgruntled at the thought of what basically feels like Weight Watchers tracking again, but I will give it a try and see what I can learn from it. Thanks for the suggestion and also for the welcome.

                            Originally posted by JKC View Post
                            If yesterday's meal was typical, it looks like the sort of thing that can give results in the long run. . . . If you are under stress, it can stall weight loss, or if you have started a workout program and have sore muscles it can lead to water weight. . . .If you have underlying health issues, this can add into the mix too. . . . Part of it is to get your endocrine system back working as optimally as it can - this really facilitates the weight loss.
                            Again, thanks. I am under the same stress as always --- nothing to be done about that until I can retire. I haven’t undertaken any strenuous work-out. I *do* have some insulin resistance, according to my doc. It may be slowing things down.

                            Originally posted by Shijin13 View Post
                            you mentioned you were only 3 wks in to the Primal WOE... my experience was I gained weight in the first month, then slowly began loosing by end of month 3 I had lost 2 pant sizes (14 down to a 10) but it took my body a while to adjust. Some people don't drop weight immediately. This is because sometimes the body puts priority on healing first, and weightloss second. One thing you NEED to do is ditch the sale, or put it away out of sight out of mind. take your measurements, and measure 1x/month - Go by how you feel do you have more energy? are your getting better sleep? are you eating when hungry?

                            I do agree nuts can be a big hinderance - I used them as snacks until I got used to eating primaly not they are a once in a blue moon thing... maybe a couple times/week. Definatly track a week on fitday - to get an idea what you're eat %wise. then eat when hungry and stop when full.

                            What are you doing for LHT? What are you doing for long slow movements - diet is a portion of how to achieve success you need to get in the LHT/move slowly/ & Spring 1x/week.
                            Just to explain: I don’t check the scale obsessively. I checked because I was not feeling any changes whatsoever. I do not have more energy. I am not sleeping better. My clothes fit the same. I am definitely "eating when hungry", but I think that rule may have to go out the window, according to what I’m reading here. Again, a disappointment.

                            As for LHT, I’ve been doing some random “housework-lifting” --- moving boxes, etc. I am not really into weight-lifting. I have been trying to move (slowly) a bit more when I’m not working. No sprints.

                            Thanks for the advice.

                            Originally posted by thyme View Post
                            longtime lurker, early poster as well...
                            One of the most helpful threads to me was Paleobird's Reality Check: Counting Calories, the sheer size of which told me I wasn't the only one who had trouble losing weight on a non-counted paleo diet. The thread is now enormous, but a number of women there found it immensely helpful to track calories, increase protein, and decrease fat. Every body is different, obviously, but give that thread a read and see if you find some useful ideas. Paleobird started the thread at the end of February, which means folks on it have now had enough experience with it to see some substantial results. good luck!
                            Thanks Thyme. I had read through that thread. That’s one of the things that prompted me to wonder if this was really going to be much different than any other “track-what-you-eat-and-stay-hungry” ways of eating. I think I’ll try to track and maybe tinker with the protein and the fat and see what happens.

                            I appreciate the welcome and wish you luck, too!

                            Originally posted by TigerLily View Post
                            Where are the vegetables?

                            Exercise?

                            Both nuts and dairy are inflammatory. I've had two healthcare workers tell me now that an inflamed body is going to have a difficult time dropping any weight. (And that was certainly the case with me.)

                            What about water intake? A chronically dehydrated body (as mine used to be) is going to hang onto everything possible.

                            Are you drinking anything else, such as diet Coke?
                            Veggies are there. I forgot to list the lettuce I had with the chicken thighs. There were lots of green veggies in the stuffed zucchini. I am getting a bit of “slow moving” exercise, but not doing any cardio. Am drinking water. No Coke.

                            While I doubt I'm dehydrated, I might also try increasing my water intake further. You're right --- that could make a difference.

                            Thanks for the insight, TigerLily.

                            Originally posted by Phoenixflame View Post
                            If it were me, I'd calculate your calories for maintenance, then calculate your calories for a typical day's eats. You -don't- have to count calories for the rest of your Primal experience...but if right now you're eating 2500 calories, you're not going to lose weight. Play around with inputs a little, just to see what a day in a deficit would look like for you, foodwise, and try to stick to roughly that amount. As you become more acclimated to everything, your body should start telling you when it's hungry and full...but I know I personally have a broken full/hungry switch, so I need to use my eyes. Over time, you might find yourself hungrier one day and less so the next, but I do think it's good at first to use your head. Just my opinion though!
                            Thanks, PhoenixFlame. Looks like the consensus is to track what I eat. Like I said, that’s a bit of a disappointment. But it is what it is.

                            I had really hoped to be one of those people who arrives here, starts scarfing down fatty steaks and then watches the fat roll off my waistline. C’est la vie.

                            Originally posted by Stabby View Post
                            So maybe work on health. It seems like you have just got it in your head that as long as it's low carb it''s all good. That couldn't be further from the truth. Read until your eyes bleed.
                            With all due respect, I’m a bit offended that you glibly presume to know what’s in my head. Au contraire, I am not merely following “low carb”--- hence, the lack of frankenfoods --- and I *have* read until my eyes have bled --- just because I am new to this forum does not mean I have not read enough; however, I appreciate your attempt to be helpful.

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                            • #15
                              Eggs and bacon
                              Handful of nuts
                              About 1 to 2 oz cheddar
                              Chicken thighs
                              Zucchini stuffed with ground chicken and chopped veggies


                              That is a lot of Poly-unsaturateds, almost all Omega-6, too. For me, that would inflame the crap out of me and therefore stall fat loss.
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