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    Just had an epiphany. Back in 09 when I started losing weight on CW, I set 135 as my goal weight. I just realized I'm not supposed to weigh 135. 135 would be me with, like, 0% BF, all muscle and bones, right?. Now, logically, if I multiply 135 by 20% body fat (which is a good, athletic goal, IMO), I get 162 lbs, and 156 if I go to 16% BF. Maybe it's wrong, I'm probably crazy... but that means I'm less than 10 lbs from a real, tangible, HEALTHY goal weight. Huh.
    Am I totally off here?
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  • #2
    I am 6'1" and currently 208 and when I think about my early 20s I was 135#. I can't ever think of me being that thin again. I was really nothing but bones and skin. Not to mention that was 23yrs ago. I think my healthy realistic goal would be 165-175 and with that I am fine.
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    • #3
      I am also 6'1". I remember weighing #138 for a long time in university, couple or four decades ago. But I also was maybe too skinny. Certainly when I was a teenager, I could have passed for an Auschwitz survivor. Now I am somewhere between 170 - 175, and it does feel like this is what my body wants to be. I've got some blubber that could be gone, but I suspect it will get replaced with muscle and I'll weigh the same. I'm about 22% bf.

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      • #4
        If your weight loss has stalled, it might be because you have pretty much got to where you want to be. What is your height and frame. Those calculators give a rough estimate. I am not sure where I will end up levelling out, but at 5'7", small frame and 132-134 (lean body mass around 100lbs), I know I am not far off. I was thinking of a target weight at first, but I think I am just going to see where I end up levelling out at, and I may well be happy at that, after all, I am no expert on what my "perfect" weight is anyways.

        If 135 is your lean body mass, you could never get down that low, barring amputation or starving yourself to the point where your muscles were atrophied, and I know you don't want to do that. It sounds like you are getting close, congrats!

        lean body mass = 135 = 80% of you (leaving 20% fat)
        additional fat 135 x 20/80 = 33.75
        Goal weight for 20% body fat 135 + 33.75 = 168.75 - say 169 to 170lbs

        Don't mind the geekiness - I used to be a math teacher!
        Karin

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        • #5
          I'm 5'5.5", and was 178 Apr 1st (starting Whole 30), with 36% BF. I'd like to get down to 20% BF. I don't know what I weigh ATM, b/c W30 prohibits weighing & measuring during the challenge. I would say I'm medium frame. Good Irish stout stock
          I have tree trunks for legs, and just barely staaaaaarting to get a cut in my calf when I flex.

          I have NEVER been skinny. Always overweight and mostly obese. I was 150 lbs when I was 10. I'd like to get down there, but I'd rather have a terrific BF%, be able to run marathons, be a mommy, and hot like Xena!
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          • #6
            You're guessing that 135 would be zero body fat. One way to work it out is using BMI. For example to achieve a BMI of 25 at your height you need to be around 150. A BMI of 23 puts you around 140
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            • #7
              this calculator http://www.healthstatus.com/cgi-bin/calc/calculator.cgi had your ideal lean body mass of around 100lbs. Currently your lean body mass is around 113 or so.
              Working out the calculations, 178 - 113 = 65 lbs fat
              65/178 = 36.5%

              So at this point, you still have a bit to lose to get to 20% body fat. At ideal lean mass of 100lbs, 20% body fat would put you at:
              100 = 80%, so 25 = 20%, total weight would be 120.

              Even if your ideal lean mass was higher - say you are large framed and LBM should be 115 instead.
              115 = 80%, so 115/4 = 28.75 = 20%, so total goal weight would be 115 + 28.75 = 143.75

              Keep in mind, women often stop menstruating below 20% body fat, so 20% body fat may not be optimal for you - at 22-23% I am pretty slim.
              Last edited by JKC; 04-14-2011, 03:57 PM. Reason: link wouldn't work
              Karin

              A joyful heart is good medicine

              He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot

              Mmmmm. Real food is good.

              My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread29685.html

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              • #8
                Darnit. I feel like it will never happen (I thought it would only take a year to drop 100. I'm pushing 2 now, and only lost 20 lbs last year, despite practically killing myself CW style. I've lost 80 total. Started at 248 lbs & 48% BF). Does it help that my doc doesn't want me out of the 140s?
                I wish I could be like the other PB newbs who drop 10-20 lbs their first month.
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                • #9
                  140s sounds pretty reasonable to me, and in the long run even if it takes a couple of years, if you can take it off and keep it off, you will benefit for the rest of your life. I know it sucks, I get impatient too, but I can't control the process, I can only do my best, and from what I have read on the forum, you have been doing your best, and you are making progress. My mom is one of these people who takes a long time to lose weight, but if she stays low carb, she does get it off. I don't know why we are all different, but it just seems to be that way.

                  Take heart - half way through the whole30 you may be a whole lot lower than you think you are!
                  Karin

                  A joyful heart is good medicine

                  He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot

                  Mmmmm. Real food is good.

                  My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread29685.html

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                  • #10
                    Yeah, sorry to be such a whiney mamby pamby. I don't mean to. Just so @#%^ frustrated. I had a dream last night that I finished Whole 30 and didn't lose a single pound or drop any BF. I just stood on scale and cried. Like what was the point of torturing myself?
                    I don't know if I'm doing it right. I don't know if I'm working out incorrectly or not to make it all "click". What if I'm not pushing myself hard enough? I just wish I had someone to tell me to what to do on a daily basis. What workouts, foods, etc. Okay, well, foods I got down... so mainly exercise. I love to run, but I don't think I'm getting enough out of the weight room and feel kind of lost and stuck in the same ol' circuit.
                    --Trish (Bork)
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                    • #11
                      As someone who was hung up on numbers for a long time, I recommend that you try to get away from measuring your goals by numbers. I know that when we are overweight we feel things will be so great if we can just get skinny but there are plenty of unhappy thin people. Think health, wellness, what you need to live the active lifestyle you want. At times, your approach seems to be a bit extreme (meat only, for example). Strive for balance and learn to accept and love yourself no matter your weight. Consider examining the relationship you have with food. Are there unmet needs you have that you could be meeting with food that can be met in another way?

                      I had managed to ditch the scale as the end all be all of health and happiness before I started primal. I have weighed a few times out of curiosity but I have come to a place where I'm content to see where this journey leads me. I know what I've thought was ideal in the past but I'll see over time what is ideal now. Health is my first goal and my next goal is to live an active life. I also want to feel comfortable in my skin and in a bathing suit or tank top. Those goals are coming to fruition despite the fact that i weigh more than I used to think is ideal.
                      True healthcare reform starts in your kitchen, not in Washington. ~Anonymous
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                      • #12
                        ** applause **
                        "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -- Hippocrates

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JKC View Post
                          this calculator Invalid calculator had your ideal lean body mass of around 100lbs. Currently your lean body mass is around 113 or so.
                          Working out the calculations, 178 - 113 = 65 lbs fat
                          65/178 = 36.5%

                          So at this point, you still have a bit to lose to get to 20% body fat. At ideal lean mass of 100lbs, 20% body fat would put you at:
                          100 = 80%, so 25 = 20%, total weight would be 120.

                          Even if your ideal lean mass was higher - say you are large framed and LBM should be 115 instead.
                          115 = 80%, so 115/4 = 28.75 = 20%, so total goal weight would be 115 + 28.75 = 143.75

                          Keep in mind, women often stop menstruating below 20% body fat, so 20% body fat may not be optimal for you - at 22-23% I am pretty slim.
                          "Ideal lean mass" I would never say that your ideal lean mass is less than your current lean mass. If you are very heavy you may not be able to avoid losing a little lean mass in the weightloss process, but I lost over 60lbs a couple years ago and did not lose a single pound of lean mass, probably gained a lb or two in the process.

                          Given your 4/1 LBM of ~ 114 lbs I would say your target would probably end up being in the 145-150 range if you do the weight work you need to maintain that mass.
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                          • #14
                            I don't see weight as a valid indicator of anything. I am more concerned with my waist size and musculature. I am just now into a 32" pant while still weighing in at 175ish (I don't check that often). At only 5'6" tall that means I am building up some muscle, something that is remarkably easy on primal.

                            I'm aiming for a 30" waist and I figure that will bring me in around 160ish. Conventional charts would put that about 10% over "ideal". The charts are BS.
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                            • #15
                              Dr. BB, if you love to run, then run. If running nourishes your soul, then you should be running.

                              I love to run. Long, slow distances preferably, and I have just started again after taking the whole winter off to heal a year long Achilles inflammation. Just 10 minutes ago, I ran (slow jogged, actually, but it's running in my books) my little 2 mile loop, all the way, no walking, no sore heel or aching knee making me stop, all the way from beginning to end for the first time since I restarted a few weeks ago. I am ecstatic! I don't need to feel apologetic in this crowd that I love to run. For me, it is not chronic life-sucking cardio - it is me being strong and free!

                              JKC's calculations look right to me. I'm 5'6" tall with a small bone structure, and at 146 lbs before Whole 30, I had 33% BF. I want to get down to 25% or below. I"ve never been there in my adult life. I'm 50.

                              Just add the LHT and occasional sprint or Tabata workout and you're there.

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