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  • Primal/paleo folks can be just as obtuse as ones eating and subscribing to the SAD and CW way of life. However wrong doctors may be about a lot of things, there is a reason for the tests they do.

    What is it that they say? The man who claims to have all the answers is selling something. True, for Mark Sisson, so the rest of us should really learn to keep our mouths shut and stop giving unwarranted advice, which is EXACTLY THE THING THAT BOTHERS US ABOUT "DIETERS".
    Depression Lies

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    • Originally posted by Lynna View Post
      Miracle Max - The Princess Bride
      love that as well.. so my computer was just mostly dead which was slightly alive. The tech worked her magic so hopefully it stays slightly alive for the next week because the hard drive is going out.
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      • Originally posted by Urban Forager View Post
        I can't tell if you are serious or if you are joking.
        Originally posted by Sudenveri View Post
        He's serious, and either not an American or completely obtuse, or both.

        GotD: Guess who made a huge mess rendering suet today? This guy.
        I'm serious, I'm an American, and I know what the hell I'm talking about.

        Obtuse is when you think medicare, medicaid, tax free health insurance, and laws that prevent you from buying health insurance across state is not socialistic and fascistic.

        Socialism is the only thing in the world in which people both protest and want more of at the same time.

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        • GOTD: People throwing around the word socialism when they don't have any idea what it means.
          Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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          • GOTD: People who think socialism means utopia.

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            • I'm sure you will agree the healthcare industry in the US is at least fascism. And I would argue that fascism is nothing more than a form of socialism which appeals to the right wing.

              Replace socialism with statism, it's all the same thing. It's all about violence. That is all that government is -- violence.

              Violence never solves anything.

              You do not reach a utopia through the use of force.

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              • Apparently both.

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                • Originally posted by Sudenveri View Post
                  Apparently both.
                  That's the best argument you can come up with? I must be an obtuse non-American because I believe in peace, freedom, and liberty?

                  I'm anti-violence. Therefore I'm dense.

                  I believe in freedom and liberty. Therefore I'm not American.
                  Last edited by Grok; 05-02-2012, 02:10 PM.

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                  • GotD: The old "layoff in 21 days or maybe 6 months..." notice expired and was replaced with a NEW "layoff sometime in the next 6 months..." notice. So basically I've been notified that I'll be laid off sometime between November 2011 and November 2012.

                    Seriously, I know they're hoping we get pissed off and just quit so they don't have to pay severance.

                    I'm only staying for the medical insurance.
                    Durp.

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                    • Originally posted by Grok View Post
                      GOTD: People who think socialism means utopia.
                      You *don't* think that socialism is utopian?
                      Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

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                      5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                      Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                      TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                      bloodorchid is always right

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                      • Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
                        You *don't* think that socialism is utopian?
                        Maybe anarcho-socialism is utopian, but that would last about five minutes at best.

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                        • Having to give up my health insurance because it went from being 20% of my income to being 30% of my income in the past 6 month. I've tried to do the right thing and buy my own insurance. It had a high deductible, so I never went to the doctor for basic stuff anyway because the premium made me broke. At least now I'm primal and way healthier than before.

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                          • Originally posted by Urban Forager View Post
                            I can't tell if you are serious or if you are joking.
                            Actually it's due to the fact that number of doctors is artificially limited, they used to be a higher percentage of the population and charge less for services.

                            Keep in mind that doctors that accept medicare/caid are held to a bunch of insane rules and regulations that increase their costs and force them to charge XYZ.
                            Starting Date: Dec 18, 2010
                            Starting Weight: 294 pounds
                            Current Weight: 235 pounds
                            Goal Weight: 195 pounds

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                            • Originally posted by Grok View Post
                              I'm sure you will agree the healthcare industry in the US is at least fascism. And I would argue that fascism is nothing more than a form of socialism which appeals to the right wing.
                              Yes. Looks like someone actually studied early 20th century Europe before throwing around terms.
                              Either way, both concepts are extremely authoritarian -- that is, they favor a high degree of government control and involvement in the lives of its citizens.
                              Subduction leads to orogeny

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                              • GRIPE:

                                My left hand is not as functional as my right. I'm a righty and trying to do normal everyday things with my left hand is like watching the special olympics. If i try to brush my teeth, use a knife to cut a steak, scoop something with a spoon, or wipe my ass. IT JUST ISN'T HAPPENING. I can't even put a shirt on left arm first without shit hitting the fan. Same goes with putting my pants on left leg first. ARG.

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