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  • That's plenty of exercise, I wouldn't add any more unless you really want to for the sheer pleasure of it.

    I guess the heavy lifting is the only thing and is the thing that makes the biggest difference to women of our age from all I'm reading - I do a weekly session with the free weights, deadlifting 50 kg for 5 sets of 6 reps, the 6th is really hard, using a kettlebell 8kg for some squats through overhead presses! This has increased my muscle mass for sure but I still have more body fat than optimal (or I'd like and I've gained it over this winter). I think smaller portions at every meal is the way I'm heading and I do think your IFing could be an issue for all the reasons people have listed above. Certainly eating at the end of the day doesn't allow the body much chance to utilise it all before you sleep. Try the lunch and dinner routine with the lunch larger than the dinner for a bit and see what happens!
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    • Originally posted by Adrianag View Post
      PrimalWannabeGirl everyhthing you say refers to the past. Now that you are primal what's the situation in terms of intensity and frequency of your workouts and the state of your weight and physique?
      Clarification: I was primal during the last 20 lbs and two years. It took that kind of nutrition PLUS all that activity to get me down to that really lean, muscled energy-to-burn place.

      What happened was I overtrained. During a time period when both of my teens developed life-threatening illnesses, I kept going to the gym whenever I could. I broke. I developed severe spinal stenosis and needed two extensive operations to decompress my spinal cord and stabilize my spine. I was in constant pain for 18 months. Out of frustration and despair, I chucked the good diet when I needed it most and gained 60 lbs.

      I finally stopped being in pain about 6 months ago (also much better at eating primally!) and have lost about 10 lbs. I can walk and enjoy walking but plantar fasciitis is limiting me right now.

      So I've switched from the really-fit getting uber-fit crowd to being a fat, mostly sedentary middle-aged woman with health problems.

      There you have it. Thread hijack over..

      Pea
      Last edited by PrimalWannabeGirl; 02-28-2011, 04:54 PM.

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      • OK General consensus seems to be this:

        1) IFing too much could be problematic
        In an effort to get away from the CW diets that mandate 3 meals +2 snacks or the sky will fall in, I may have taken it a bit far in the opposite direction. Perhaps a happy medium of 2 meals a day would work.
        The argument that IFing doesn't really work much unless you are male or a heavy lifting female is persuasive.
        Portion control would probably be easier to do with more frequent meals.

        2) increasing physical activity could definitely be helpful. Perhaps 3x/week LHT instead of an extra sprint day. Hmmmmm. Fine tuning to be done.

        3) be careful get all the other stuff right before going for calorie restriction. Very true but I really do think I am pretty much there. Other that the minimal/infrequent indulgences mentioned, my whole life is one big Whole 30. My carbs are minimal, protein and veggies plentiful. I do have to consciously make myself eat enough fat (and may not succeed sometimes) but then I am still kind of "up in the air" about the argument made by some more hardcore paleo advocates that primitive humans' game would have been much leaner and therefor we Primal types are just kidding ourselves about the need for so much fat because we don't want to give up our bacon. I go back and forth on that question.

        4) concern for potential disordered eating/ body dysmorphia issues. Thank you for the concern but no, that's not me. A 44" rear end on a 5'10" woman is too big and 180lbs is too heavy. Not obese and not even massively overweight but still larger than optimal for health (and yes, vanity. Nothing wrong with wanting the LGN factor as Mark says).

        So we seem to have come down to a couple of things: (First of all thanks to all of you. It's good to know I'm not the only one in this boat.)

        PB is great as a maintenance mode but to be effective for weight loss either workout intensity has to increase dramatically or calories have to be cut. I am not willing/able to work out that intensely but I can and will take what I do up a notch. But that still leaves some calorie counting. Not obsessing, not starvation, just some control a bit more strict than "eat when you are hungry, stop when you aren't".

        Thank you everyone. I really appreciate your input.

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        • yeah, i mean, i would think it's fine.

          my deal would probably be to just increase how much you LHT on the LHT days first, rather than adding a day of it. And, that takes time -- and so also do the results. You've been at it 4-6 months at most, so i wouldn't worry overmuch. Maybe not LHT like batty or whomever, but you can increase the LHT side of things in what you DO. you know the levels, you just keep working at it.

          or, maybe if one is working body weight stuff, you just. . . well, you just do more (as in adding the third day)? I don't know, htough. i just think more intensity on the two days should do ya.

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          • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
            I am considering adding a second sprint day to the mix and am doing my darnest to move up in the LHT workout levels.
            My suggestion would be eat more to give you more energy and start pushing yourself harder with the PBF workouts.

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            • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
              A 44" rear end on a 5'10" woman is too big
              Disagree.

              Just sayin . . .

              *wanders off whistling tunelessly*

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              • Originally posted by brahnamin View Post
                Disagree.
                Just sayin . . .
                *wanders off whistling tunelessly*
                Well, there's no accounting for tastes. But the compliment is appreciated.

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                • i count calories mainly to track my fats/carbs/protein. i use livestrong.org. . . it is super easy and makes me mindful of what goes in my mouth. the nice thing about pb is that i am not hungry between meals. i used to be a super grainy carb snacker and now i do not even miss it, especially the tummy bloat!

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                  • Originally posted by Grok View Post
                    My suggestion would be eat more to give you more energy and start pushing yourself harder with the PBF workouts.
                    I honestly don't think I'm under eating. I may not eat often but I can really pack it in. And I have no lack of energy. Some of the upper body LHT moves are hard for me due to some post surgical scarring but I'm working through and past that very ...energetically.

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                    • Originally posted by primaltreehgr View Post
                      i count calories mainly to track my fats/carbs/protein. i use livestrong.org. . . it is super easy and makes me mindful of what goes in my mouth. the nice thing about pb is that i am not hungry between meals. i used to be a super grainy carb snacker and now i do not even miss it, especially the tummy bloat!
                      I checked out their website and it is HUGE. Do you happen to have a link for that tracking system? Alternatively, what tracking systems has anybody else had good results with?

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                      • I use Free Diet Plans at SparkPeople
                        Meghan

                        My MDA journal

                        Primal Ponderings- my blog- finally added some food pron :P

                        And best of all my Body Fat Makeover!!

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                        • Yous gots to do what yous gots to do. Some people prays to Jebus, others to Mohammed.

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                          • Thank you, js290, for that helpful and insightful comment.

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                            • I use Burn Fat, Lose Weight, and Gain Muscle - DailyBurn for tracking.
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                              • MyPlate - Food Diary & Food Calorie Counter | LIVESTRONG.COM <-- tracking on the Livestrong site
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