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  • #46
    Originally posted by marcadav View Post
    I think it's very important to get copies of all test results. It allows you (general) to track trends over time. It also gives a medical record, in case you move, change doctors, etc

    And, I will say it again-- Fine, does not mean optimal. It generally means the results can be found within the "normal range" given by the lab.

    Case in point-- my lab's normal range is 11-152. If my result is 15 I can be seen as fine by " the normal range. However that doesn't mean I'm optimal or without symptoms of low ferritin. In fact, many believe ferritin needs to be over 50 and closer to 100 for optimal health.

    Sorry Paleobird, my years of being "in the normal range" fine, yet suffering, makes me get on my soapbox about test results. I'm stepping down now.

    I hope you find your solution.
    I can get any results if I want on my HMOs website. I'm glad you found the answers to your suffering. The thing is, I'm not "suffering" at all. I'm heathy. I'm just healthy with 30 extra pound on me.

    I just got home from running wind sprints on the beach in a jogbra and shorts with my dog. I think I have the D covered for today. Talk about multitasking. Play, exercise, and vitamin treatment all at the same time.

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    • #47
      I don't know if I have much of worth to add here, but I'll chime in with my experience nonetheless. I just spent the past 13 months on a zero carb diet, not tracking my calories whatsoever, eating til I was full every day. Generally that was about 2,500 calories a day on average. I am also a 5'10" female, but I am 21. I am around 170-175, and I know I look best around 145, though I would be happy with 150. In the entire time I had no carbs whatsoever, I did not lose weight at all. Thus, I am a little skeptical that carbs are the ONLY thing important in weight loss. Now I have transitioned back to primal eating and for some reason I am naturally wanting a lot less calories. The most I've had in one day was 1,500, but for the most part I've been a lot less than that. It's too early to tell what will happen, but I will be sure to update.

      An idea I've been tossing around in my head is that some people fare better on higher carb, which I know has been said here before. I can't help but wonder if it has anything to do with our natural inclinations towards foods. I was revolted by meat from a very early age. I never ever wanted to eat it, not once. I transitioned to a zero carb diet though, and I had to get used to it. I eventually became ok with eating meat, but still not much of a fan. I actually love to just eat vegetables, and feel really good doing that. Meat makes me feel lazy and tired. I don't really know if this is a valid train of thought or anything, just what I've been toying with. Maybe my natural aversion to meat reflects my body's needs for plant sources to be healthy. I never ate meat until a couple years ago. My mom has been a vegetarian for 30 years, so I was even a veg in the womb.

      I don't know. Just thoughts.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by profdjj View Post
        I've become a major fan of Dr. Michael Eades. Here's a post on low carb/calories: http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/w...nd-calories-2/ He says you can eat low carb and as many calories as you want and not gain weight, but to lose weight, most people have to calorie restrict at least a little (there are some lucky folks who don't).

        Here's another post of his regarding IF: http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/i...ttent-fasting/

        I've also become a fan of Fast-5: http://www.fast-5.com/ I suggest you download his e-book (it's free if you register) where he talks about losing weight via IF. His is a 5 hour eat window / 19 hour fast.

        I'm not a big fan of leangains - he's a little too hard core body builder for me. But I am enjoying this man's paleo/IF blog: www.theleansaloon.com Very good writer.

        I know for me that I HAVE to calorie restrict to lose weight. I've also found that IFing (I have a 6 hour eat window - breakfast/lunch, skip dinner) and slight calorie restriction works like a charm for me.
        Interesting articles, thank you. Hmmm. I generally skip b& L. Perhaps skipping dinner instead would work better. Perhaps I tend to overload more there than I would with an earlier meal.

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        • #49
          I don't think diet is one size fits all. I can maintain and lose super slowly with a good bit of fruit, carbs under 100. This with almost no exercise. I can add in maybe a potato per week and a cup of rice and a couple servings of sake or red wine (bad me, I know) This has put an extra 4 lbs or so on my frame from 104 to 108. I would like to add that hormones make a big difference. Between PMS and water gains, I can plus up 2-4 lbs monthly for a week or more. Since you've posted your medical history, I hope it's OK for me to suggest that that could have something to do with it? I'd ask you to look at any maintenance meds also, especially anything hormone regulating, such as estrogen suppressing drugs? I'm not a fan of deprivation for deprivation or calorie counting sake, but if you're not hungry and don't eat, I don't see it being a problem. I wore a bodybugg for awhile in the summer and think I will dig it out as I'm finding myself spending too much time this winter sitting in front of my computer, I need to get off my rump more and am hoping this will help with that. I found the calorie expenditure of moving slowly all day vs sitting around shocking, just FYI. Maybe just ramping up your slow activity level will help?

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          • #50
            Originally posted by HazelH View Post
            In the entire time I had no carbs whatsoever, I did not lose weight at all. Thus, I am a little skeptical that carbs are the ONLY thing important in weight loss. Now I have transitioned back to primal eating and for some reason I am naturally wanting a lot less calories.

            An idea I've been tossing around in my head is that some people fare better on higher carb, I was revolted by meat from a very early age. Maybe my natural aversion to meat reflects my body's needs for plant sources to be healthy.
            Yeah, I think things tend to get too polarized. Either 0carb/gazillion cal or starvation calories/carb heavy. I'm trying to find a god balance point in between. That is interesting about your aversion to meat. I, on the other hand love the stuff. I also really like veggies. I never had a "sweet tooth" even as a kid.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by kandc88 View Post
              I would like to add that hormones make a big difference. Between PMS and water gains, I can plus up 2-4 lbs monthly for a week or more. Since you've posted your medical history, I hope it's OK for me to suggest that that could have something to do with it? I'd ask you to look at any maintenance meds also, especially anything hormone regulating, such as estrogen suppressing drugs? I'm not a fan of deprivation for deprivation or calorie counting sake, but if you're not hungry and don't eat, I don't see it being a problem. I wore a bodybugg for awhile in the summer and think I will dig it out as I'm finding myself spending too much time this winter sitting in front of my computer, I need to get off my rump more and am hoping this will help with that. I found the calorie expenditure of moving slowly all day vs sitting around shocking, just FYI. Maybe just ramping up your slow activity level will help?
              I'm post menopausal so PMS and such are history. I do take a post breast cancer drug that may be a hormone blocker of some kind.

              That Bodybugg sounds like a great invention. Must go goole now

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              • #52
                I agree that finding the right balance is key. I spent too long being extremist. Yeah, I find it funny how I eventually grew to eat nothing but meat after never wanting it for so long. I like it fine now, but I like veggies and fruit and tubers more. I don't eat fruit or tubers as of yet, but I'm considering it once my body gets used to eating veggies again. I want to see if this calorie restriction works before I try adding more carbs. I guess I'll just have to wait and see. I'm still going to be researching more about a higher carb approach, one that includes tubers, and see if that would actually instigate weight loss. Best of luck, one tall girl to another.

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                • #53
                  I think a lot of the 'calorie in, calories out' discussion for me comes down to the fact that it isn't ALL that matters. So many people in the CW mindset say that all you need to do is create a calorie deficit. I know for me that is absolutely wrong. I spent years on a CW 'healthy' diet with a calorie deficit anywhere from 250-1000 calories a day and barely lost weight. When I first found this eating style, all I had to do was switch. I quit eating grains, beans and potatoes and easily lost weight. I ate about the same number of calories as I was before, sometimes even a little more. I would say over the average week I had about a 1000 calorie deficit per week. Which according to CW should not have equated to 1-2 pounds of weight loss, but that is what I was losing.

                  Now that I am closer to my goal, I have about 15-20 more pounds I would like to lose, I find that I do need to pay attention a little to my calories. Does this mean I need to go hungry the way I did when I was trying to lose before TPB? No, but it does mean if I want to lose weight I need to stick between 75-100 grams of carb and be at about 1900 calories. According to weight loss sites with my height, weight, age and activity level I need to eat about 1400-1800 to lose weight. So, PB still lets me eat more calories to lose weight, but I do indeed need to create a calorie deficit to lose.

                  Now, I personally can do it without counting calories. But, I spent 3.5 years weighing and measuring food so I think I have it in my head and do it without thinking much about it.

                  What i love about this lifestyle for me though, is I know I can routinely go FAR above in calories on Primal foods and NOT gain weight. So once I get to my goal, maintaining is a breeze.
                  Meghan

                  My MDA journal

                  Primal Ponderings- my blog- finally added some food pron :P

                  And best of all my Body Fat Makeover!!

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                    I just got home from running wind sprints on the beach in a jogbra and shorts with my dog.
                    Reading this makes me miss San Diego. Our high today was 43.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                      I do take a post breast cancer drug that may be a hormone blocker of some kind.
                      Any chance you are taking tamoxifen? I think a fair percentage of people have water retention and weight gain issues on tamoxifen. Maybe things will just go more slowly for you? I think losing a pant size seems like pretty good progress.

                      It does seem that calorie counting/restriction is necessary for some people here. I don't fit exactly in to any of the groups you listed. I came here to heal - but I have been slowly but steadily losing weight with PB since starting without intentionally restricting cabs or calories.

                      Good luck.
                      Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

                      http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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                      • #56
                        I'd take a week and *count* calories before you start cutting calories. Just to see where you're at - especially with multiple 24 hr fasts in a given week. Just a thought. I have no real advice for you. My wife completely bellyflopped on primal last year when we gave it a go together, while I actually did very well.

                        In fact, my wife almost never loses weight unless she is counting calories.

                        Reading this post (and several others that track along a similar path) I begin to wonder if PB really just works better for males than it does females (I'll exclude the extremely athletic females like Batty and Erica (of the *bazillion alternative pizza recipe* fame) from this observation). Maybe serious heavy workouts are necessary for real success in that last stack of pounds.

                        Maybe when I've been here a little longer and know the regulars better I'll start a thread that covers that question. Because I'd really like to hear from the women on this forum and find out how many succeeded in reaching their goal weight on standard primal and how many had to amp it up a bit (and how many aren't even there yet and the struggles they've faced like what you've posted here).

                        My primary interest lies in the fact that I know my wife is very likely to follow in my footsteps despite her current vegetarian ways should this truly turn into a success for me (previously she has been much more adept at losing weight than I am and it will totally get her goat if I start losing faster than she does - not a criticism, I just know the woman).
                        Last edited by brahnamin; 02-27-2011, 06:57 PM. Reason: edited to make *counting carbs* say *counting calories* like it was supposed to

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                        • #57
                          HazelH, I have to stay above 50grams of carb to lose weight. I am sure I am not the only person that works this way!
                          Meghan

                          My MDA journal

                          Primal Ponderings- my blog- finally added some food pron :P

                          And best of all my Body Fat Makeover!!

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                          • #58
                            I think the thing with calorie-counting is, as Mark & Gary Taubes have pointed out - it is IMPOSSIBLE to accurately count calories, and calories are utilized differently by your body depending on the substance.

                            I understand where you're coming from - for instance, you can't eat completely excessively just because it's good food. I just think calories are a bad way to measure "excessive".

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                            • #59
                              @NutMeg - You're not. My wife won't do PB (again) but she has never had decent success on a low carb regimen (beyond losing the initial water weight - which makes her mad because it comes right back).

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by jammies View Post
                                Any chance you are taking tamoxifen? I think a fair percentage of people have water retention and weight gain issues on tamoxifen. Maybe things will just go more slowly for you? I think losing a pant size seems like pretty good progress.
                                No, it's called Arimidex. I think Tamoxifen is the one they give you if you are still pre-menopausal.
                                Yes, going from tight 12s to comfortable 10s is pretty cool. I think it mostly has to do with my abs tightening up.

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