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  • Yes, that is quite possible. As I said, to me Primal without calorie counting is like a kid in a candy store. If carbs/sweets are your "thing" then you probably already did cut back your calorie intake some just by going Primal, just because all your favorites were suddenly off limits. For those of us who crave salty oily stuff instead, Primal is just like if someone told you you could eat all the cookies you wanted and still lose weight. Whoooopie! So easy to overdo it.

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    • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
      Yes, that is quite possible. As I said, to me Primal without calorie counting is like a kid in a candy store. If carbs/sweets are your "thing" then you probably already did cut back your calorie intake some just by going Primal, just because all your favorites were suddenly off limits. For those of us who crave salty oily stuff instead, Primal is just like if someone told you you could eat all the cookies you wanted and still lose weight. Whoooopie! So easy to overdo it.
      Butter and Bacon baby! Yes. Before PB "bad carbs" were something I ate only because I felt I ought to (grains, potatoes) or because it was there (cookies, etc.). Eliminating that stuff was about as hard as dressing myself.
      MTA: because it is rare I dont have more to say

      "When I got too tired to run anymore I just pretended I wasnt tired and kept running anyway" - my daughter Age 7

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      • Originally posted by runnergal View Post
        Butter and Bacon baby! Yes. Before PB "bad carbs" were something I ate only because I felt I ought to (grains, potatoes) or because it was there (cookies, etc.). Eliminating that stuff was about as hard as dressing myself.
        Yep, I forced myself to eat some "healthy whole grains" because I thought I should but it was always just a bare minimum. My "bacon and butter baby" desires were kept in check by the CW about the evil of fats. Tossing the carbs was easy. Going overboard on the fat was even easier.

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        • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
          Yep, I forced myself to eat some "healthy whole grains" because I thought I should but it was always just a bare minimum. My "bacon and butter baby" desires were kept in check by the CW about the evil of fats. Tossing the carbs was easy. Going overboard on the fat was even easier.
          I was going through 2-3 packages of Kerrygold butter a week the first month.
          MTA: because it is rare I dont have more to say

          "When I got too tired to run anymore I just pretended I wasnt tired and kept running anyway" - my daughter Age 7

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          • Originally posted by runnergal View Post
            I was going through 2-3 packages of Kerrygold butter a week the first month.
            Gee, do you think that might have something to do with not losing weight? No, it must be more *complex* than that.

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            • I ate up to a stick of butter a day for the first month after I started allowing fat into my diet. It just felt right, an dI felt like my body needed to make up for the depletion. Sure enough, by the end of the month, I had no desire to eat it plain at all. I do love fatty foods; I love adding gobs of butter to everything and eating pernil grease plain and love the fattiest cuts of meat and especially crispy pork fat and all kinds of meat. But I can't binge on them.
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              Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
              Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
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              • I went bananas eating coconut oil my first month, now I gag if I try to eat it (but still recommend it as a good choice for a quick fix), but cook with it just fine.

                Oh, and about High School weight... yeah I weigh less now than I ever did in high school, but I was always heavy.
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                • This is a very useful thread! I've kind of hit a weight plateau myself around 155 lbs, and being 5'1", getting to a 'normal' weight would mean <135 lbs. But I know my 'plateau' is my own fault because I don't stick to PB consistently; I vacillate between periods of nearly 100% compliance and periods of eating junk. I know it's because I have some food issues to work through. I also have to deal with PCOS/insulin resistance/nutritional deficiencies. I intended to do a PB challenge in March but I've been doing a bad job of it in the past week. Part of my challenge, however, did include exercising every day, and I have been doing that and still noticing improved definition.

                  At my highest I weighed 200 pounds... I got down to 180 slowly just by cutting out the constant sugary junk (and with the help of insulin-sensitizing medication). I know I was 170 back at the end of July, which was shortly after I'd started Primal. So I think Primal helped me lose about 20 pounds 'effortlessly,' and I've maintained since on a loosely-Primal diet, and now I have to comply to it better than I have before in order to see more changes, as well as include more exercise I think. Once I get to long-term compliance I can start figuring out the calories. It's really useful to know that I need to make sure to get in my 400-600 calories of protein every day though.

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                  • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                    Jorge, what can I say. You have just given a lady old enough to be your mother some delightful fantasies.
                    Wow! thank you!, a good compliment
                    Rephrasing the famous Socrates quote: "All I know is that I know nothing" and about that fact, I am still not so sure.

                    Greetings! from Jorge from Venezuela.

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                    • Progress report!

                      Weight: 146!!!

                      Since Feb 26 (my last weigh/measure), I have LOST 2 lbs!!!!
                      I know that doesn't seem like a lot, but I was “stuck” at 148 for months!

                      Measurements:
                      Loss since Feb 26:
                      .25” from my ribcage,
                      .5” from my waist
                      .75” from my stomach
                      .5” from my hips
                      My thighs and arms stayed the same

                      So, SOMETHING is working!

                      I started “Counting Calories” on March 1st
                      I stomped my foot and whined and pouted, but I started.

                      I increased my protein.

                      I also “let go” of the grief/guilt over my job loss.

                      And I put more emphasis into exercise and running.

                      So which was it????

                      I’m afraid to drop any of them now that I’m finally seeing movement!
                      "Be careful what you pretend to be because you are what you pretend to be." Kurt Vonnegut
                      "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." Douglas Adams
                      "Moderation sucks." Suse
                      "Wine is a vegetable." Meaty
                      "Every decision you make, from what you eat to what you do with your time tonight, turns you into who you are tomorrow and the day after that." Cmdr Chris Hadfield


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                      • Razzzzwell
                        I see you have good intentions, but stop pushing your position and recomendations over paleobird (and everybody?), she is in a stage where counting calories is working for her, so let it be. Right now, she is counting calories as a tool to reach her goal and if, with 1300 calories she is not feeling hunger, is dropping weigth and feeling good, then she is in the right path. I also noticed that paleobird is open-minded so I guess she will eventually make the changes and adjustment when hitting another plateau.

                        I dislike authorities, we don't need gurus nor authorities to find our own path. Remember conventional wisdom authority was what brought us here. Friedman, Bacon et all, have good theories, but we are talking here about practice and theories doesn't always equal practice. We are free to take what work for us, after we test it. In regards of your health you are your own authority.

                        And finally I don't count calories as a result of my own experience (but at some stage I did it too for a short time), but each one is unique and need to figure out what works for him in his current condition. My condition was: I hasn't a broken metabolism nor I was under any prescribed medicine, so it would be irresponsible, trying to push the theories and practices that I used to reach my goal, to others.

                        I share a lot of the thinking and owe my introduction to the paleo movement to Richard Nikoley and Mark Sisson, but they don't represent authority for me, since there are things we disagree and that they had implemented that didn't worked for me. Indeed I read lots of blogs like the formed ones plus Stephan Guyenet, Kurt Harris, Don Matez, Chris Masterjohn, Peter Dobromylskyj, Chris Kresser, etc, just to name a few, and they all have some common ground but also diverge opinions, and from their blogs I got links to studies and research like the ones of Dr. Friedman, but also to anothers that opposed it, that is why in the end, you are the last authority in your own health. Because theory and research can say anything but you will never know until you test it in yourself.

                        Finally I will reccomend here some good reads, about counting calories and authorities, for people who feel identified with my philosophy:

                        About counting calories: 1. Girl Gone Primal: Like An Animal
                        2. Diet Obsession | Free The Animal

                        And about authority and paleo dogmatism: The Paleo Principle is Neither Authoritative nor Dogmatic | Free The Animal
                        Rephrasing the famous Socrates quote: "All I know is that I know nothing" and about that fact, I am still not so sure.

                        Greetings! from Jorge from Venezuela.

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                        • Originally posted by winencandy View Post
                          Progress report!

                          Weight: 146!!!

                          Since Feb 26 (my last weigh/measure), I have LOST 2 lbs!!!!
                          I know that doesn't seem like a lot, but I was “stuck” at 148 for months!

                          So, SOMETHING is working!

                          I started “Counting Calories” on March 1st
                          I stomped my foot and whined and pouted, but I started.

                          I increased my protein.

                          And I put more emphasis into exercise and running.

                          So which was it????
                          Yay WnC!!!!!! Doesn't it feel good to get unstuck?
                          In answer to the which was it question : All of the above.
                          Increased protein, sensible calorie limits, and more exercise. Getting over the job situation probably helped too in terms of better and more sleep.

                          I've lost 7 count them 7! pounds and they are staying off.

                          Besides, 2 lbs is a much bigger deal on your tiny little frame size than on my Amazonian one.
                          Last edited by Paleobird; 03-18-2011, 10:29 AM.

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                          • Originally posted by Razzzzwell
                            Dear Paleo
                            I am very sorry you developed a very serious disease. Disease states in general make it particularly hard when people are trying to lose weight. (although I know that was last on your mind)
                            Medications for these various diseases can also make it extremely difficult to lose weight .
                            Medications can disrupt our fat regulation systems strongly, and our axis that controls sleep, blood pressure etc. Chemotheraphy is massively strong medication , as is Neoral Cyclosporine ( heart transplant drug) . Those medications can literally change people's builds around. I've seen it. The effects can last for years sometimes.
                            Dr. Evans, who is one of Dr. Friedman's collegaues, discusses this topic in the question and answer segment of the lecture.
                            There are more than 3 BILLION prescriptions written a year in the United States. That number was from 2002, so it is far more now. This is one thing that has changed since 50 or more years back , as well as sleep habits. All of this contributes to obesity.
                            Avandia, prednisone, anti- depressants etc. (there are many, more) are some drugs that also cause massive weight gain.
                            Urgelt of YouTube has great cancer videos and obesity video. Have a look.
                            Urgelt and Jon Gabriel bnoth have some great things to say about obesity. Urgelt is one of the most intelligent individuals I ever spoke with.
                            You don't need to tell me how tough it is to have cancer. I know.

                            The question then becomes, do I let an illness from which I am now completely recovered rule and ruin the rest of my life or do I take charge and make the changes I want to see. I am not going to sit around whining about the past. I'm moving forward.

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                            • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                              I've lost 7 count them 7! pounds and they are staying off.
                              That's awesome! Seems like you're getting fast results with just a relatively easy change - what could be better?

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                              • Originally posted by imasin View Post
                                This is a very useful thread! I've kind of hit a weight plateau myself around 155 lbs, and being 5'1", getting to a 'normal' weight would mean <135 lbs. But I know my 'plateau' is my own fault because I don't stick to PB consistently; I vacillate between periods of nearly 100% compliance and periods of eating junk. I know it's because I have some food issues to work through. I also have to deal with PCOS/insulin resistance/nutritional deficiencies. I intended to do a PB challenge in March but I've been doing a bad job of it in the past week. Part of my challenge, however, did include exercising every day, and I have been doing that and still noticing improved definition.

                                At my highest I weighed 200 pounds... I got down to 180 slowly just by cutting out the constant sugary junk (and with the help of insulin-sensitizing medication). I know I was 170 back at the end of July, which was shortly after I'd started Primal. So I think Primal helped me lose about 20 pounds 'effortlessly,' and I've maintained since on a loosely-Primal diet, and now I have to comply to it better than I have before in order to see more changes, as well as include more exercise I think. Once I get to long-term compliance I can start figuring out the calories. It's really useful to know that I need to make sure to get in my 400-600 calories of protein every day though.
                                I'm all for getting the PB really dialed in before thinking about calorie restriction. And definitely, get your other health conditions healed up first. That said, at the beginning of this thread people were trying to castigate me for my minor and infrequent indulgences like a glass of wine or square of dark chocolate as if some miraculous change was going to happen merely by giving up those little things. So, don't beat yourself up too much about PB nazi level strict "compliance". Now if you were eating donuts by the dozen that's different....

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