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  • Yeah, talk about the biggest thread highjack in history! The calorie restriction thread becomes a discussion of varieties of chocolate! Harummphhh!

    But seriously folks, Peril is right. We do have to be mindful that we are taking in enough protein, especially if we want to make any measurable gains in exercise fitness.
    As Carres said, I am finding it easy to stay under the calorie quota on PB foods too without feeling deprived. And my workouts feel great.

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    • Originally posted by Dragonfly View Post
      The US and Canadian DRI recommends that the minimum protein intake for a man is 56 grams to prevent deficiency.
      So far, no apparent deficiency.
      Preventing deficiency and thriving are two different things.

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      • I totally agree that jerky is a tasty and EASY way to get in the protein. I keep it in my drawer at work to snack on. Heck, I wonder if NOT having any the past few weeks has lead to me not losing. Will be making some tomorrow!
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        • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
          Preventing deficiency and thriving are two different things.
          Certainly, but Johnny's point was that he is maintaining the physique you see at the top of his blog with far less than the recommended amount for bodybuilders. No doubt some of us could use more protein, but the stance that you need a huge amount to grow muscle may be a relic of CW.
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          • Dragonfly, I agree with Johnny from the Lean Saloon on this. I stopped tracking protein since November, and I am still able to maintain and gain strength and muscle. Some days I get 50 grams of protein, others maybe 130 or more. It varies, but I don't try to get in any certain amount. I believe my body will produce the muscle it needs based on the exertion I put forth rather than so much by what I consume. In my opinion, the protein requirements will soon be one of those old myths much like needing to eat every three hours in order to prevent muscle wasting. At least this has been my experience. Maybe others are different.

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            • i think that once one is completely in tune with the body and something is working, then letting go of counting, tracking, etc, is no problem. if, down the track, something seems to not be working, then going back and tracking and figuring it out is a good plan.

              but eventually, we'll find some form of easy homeostasis. i think that's the plan, right? well, for some of us anyway.

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              • I was listening to Art Devany on Sean Croxton's podcast the other day and he said something similar about protein. Talking about required protein intakes doesn't account for autophagy and the recycling of damaged proteins that happens when this is initiated by fasting (either from food completely or by doing specific protein fasts). Our bodies do not make new proteins just from our intake or our muscles, if our intake is insufficient, and apparently it is very beneficial to allow autophagy to occur to clear out these dead and damaged proteins.

                It's all very interesting stuff I think.
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                • Yes, but if, as Peril pointed out, you are trying to stay very low carb then you need extra protein or the body with try to make carbs from muscle tissue. I think it's a good tradeoff, staying VLC but adding extra protein.

                  This is non scientific and totally anecdotal but is anybody here old enough to remember James Brown?

                  "AAAHHHH! I feel GOOD!"

                  That's how I am feeling even while working out and eating around 1300 calories a day.

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                  • I have no idea how much autophagy might contribute to your protein budget if you are constantly in ketosis
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                    • OK I feel a certain sense of responsibility having started this monster thread to make some things clear. I know how overwhelming the info torrent is here in the forum from the POV of a newcomer. It can be hard to know which direction is up and what advice is for you or not.

                      First of all. I am saying that I have found a way that works FOR ME. Maybe not for you.

                      There are some people who definitely should NOT be concentrating on restricting caloric intake.

                      1)People who have or have had any kind of eating disorder or OCD tendencies. You need to have a healthy relationship with food and yourself.
                      2)People who don't yet have all the other principles of the PB plan completely "dialed in" to their life. Work the fundamentals first. Primalize your pantry, get a good PBF exercise program going, and really live by the ten basic rules Mark lays out, food, sleep, sun, and all that.
                      3)People who have some other health condition that may be keeping them from losing weight e.g. thyroid issues, adrenal fatigue, etc. Get those things taken care of and healed up first.
                      4)People who have any nutritional deficiencies. These can be caused as a side effect of meds, other medical conditions, or from poor eating but they need to get sorted out first.
                      5)People suffering from metabolic disorders, syndrome X, diabetes, etc. Let your body heal first.

                      So those people for whom this really can work:

                      1)You are really living by all 10 of the PB laws. No cheating, binging, or cravings you can't walk away from.
                      2)You are in pretty good health already.
                      3)You really do have some weight to lose (I saw my sister almost die from anorexia/bulemia back in the 80s. I know the difference.)
                      4)You are eating what Taubes would call good calories just too much of a good thing. You have the sugar/carbs cleaned out of your system.
                      5)You can handle tracking and being more aware of your calorie intake without it taking over your life or killing the joy of eating.
                      Last edited by Paleobird; 04-04-2011, 07:18 PM.

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                      • Good Luck Paleo...Im glad you found "the way". I hope it get you where you want to be with regard to fat loss and/or weight. Post your progress and let us know how you are doing.
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                        • I'm averaging 1300 cal/day getting 150gr of protein
                          My workouts feel awesome.
                          And I weigh 174, six pounds down, twenty four to go.

                          (I have this rule with myself that weight loss/gain is not "real" unless it is maintained for several days. This keeps little fluctuations due to hydration etc. from being a big deal. Well, the 174 is real.)

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                          • That's excellent! Is great to see that you're seeing results so soon, and real ones, too. Glad you've found what works for you, and that's a nice list you made of who could benefit from this.
                            I can definitely understand where people are coming from when they warn against counting calories - I assume they don't want people to be sucked into possible obsessions, which is a valid concern, but I think it obviously can be a useful tool for people that don't have problems like that. I think that no matter which approach you take, you should never be obsessive about it or let it drain enjoyment from your life - there're a host of other things having to do with food/nutrition that you can be obsessed about without even thinking about calories, after all.

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                            • Paleobird;
                              As much as I hate to admit it, I believe you're onto something here. It's time to retool my PB eating strategies. I've looked back at my own PB journal (nearly a year already), and think quantity is an issue. I'm encouraged to hear you're finding success with your new methods.
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                              • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                                I'm averaging 1300 cal/day getting 150gr of protein
                                My workouts feel awesome.
                                And I weigh 174, six pounds down, twenty four to go.

                                (I have this rule with myself that weight loss/gain is not "real" unless it is maintained for several days. This keeps little fluctuations due to hydration etc. from being a big deal. Well, the 174 is real.)
                                Awesome news. 6 lbs down already! Your cutting into it! Congratulations. Thats probably pretty motivating, right? I know I would be...
                                If you can just get your....mind together....then come on across to me.....
                                James Marshall (Jimi)Hendrix

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