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  • Ah, but eggs without bacon
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    • Originally posted by winencandy View Post
      Ah, but eggs without bacon
      Ah, but person without spare tire...............

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      • Originally posted by winencandy View Post
        Ah, but eggs without bacon
        That`s a sin... ;-)
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        • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
          My story exactly except I have 30 instead of 50 to shed. I think there are some people in this forum who come from a background of eating disorders, starve/binge cycles, yo-yo dieting, etc. For them, the whole concept of calorie counting is like a bad flashback and sends off alarm signals. For some people such as me, measuring tools just make sense, like you would need a tape measure to figure out how much new carpet to buy. For some people it attaches to some very emotional issues, for me it's just about using a tool to help me get to my goal.
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          • Just as a "ferinstance":

            Today I had 6 eggs and wheatgrass juice for breakfast (don't laugh, I actually like wheatgrass)
            Spinach salad with swordfish steak for lunch
            two chicken breasts in a yummy curry I made for dinner
            and I still had enough calories in the budget for a piece of panther bar chocolate which I am now nibbling.
            I hit all of my macronutrient targets and the grand total was only a bit over 1300 calories and I couldn't eat any more if I tried.

            It is definitely possible to restrict calories without starving or giving up all of life's pleasures.

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            • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
              Just as a "ferinstance":

              Today I had 6 eggs and wheatgrass juice for breakfast (don't laugh, I actually like wheatgrass)
              Spinach salad with swordfish steak for lunch
              two chicken breasts in a yummy curry I made for dinner
              and I still had enough calories in the budget for a piece of panther bar chocolate which I am now nibbling.
              I hit all of my macronutrient targets and the grand total was only a bit over 1300 calories and I couldn't eat any more if I tried.

              It is definitely possible to restrict calories without starving or giving up all of life's pleasures.
              Wow, my target intake is about the same as yours, I don't know that I can eat 6 eggs at a sitting, even without bacon.

              Just out of curiousity, how did the macros look on this meal? I assume you used fat to cook the eggs, in the salad dressing and in the curry?

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              • Looks like I'm not getting close to enough protein, either. This thread may have solve my problem, too. I'm not at all sure how to get 120g of protein into two meals and a snack. This will definitely be a challenge.

                On the body weight/protein thing: how do you arrive at your "ideal" weight? Is this taking body composition into account at all, or is it just sort of an arbitrary number? I'm guessing 120 for me, but could possibly go as low as 115 and be fine (as long as there's lots of muscle). I'm almost 5'4", fairly small build and currently weight somewhere between 125 and 130.

                Paleobird - please keep posting your meals for a few days. I want to see that it's possible!

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                • What is a coconut heart?

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                  • Originally posted by JenCat View Post

                    On the body weight/protein thing: how do you arrive at your "ideal" weight? Is this taking body composition into account at all, or is it just sort of an arbitrary number?
                    Paleobird - please keep posting your meals for a few days. I want to see that it's possible!
                    For me I`m just using a goal weight which will be tweaked as I progress.....
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                    • On the body weight/protein thing: how do you arrive at your "ideal" weight?
                      Body mass index (BMI) is a measure of body fat based on height and weight that applies to adult men and women.

                      Figure your BMI. Calculator is here.

                      Or you can use a height - weight chart. You can find one here.
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                      • Runnergal's earlier link in this thread for determining your BMR had a nice calculator if you already knew your existing bodyfat percentage. You could select your target bodyfat percentage and activity level and it would then determine your caloric needs to get there.

                        I will say that unless they're actively trying to put on muscle as opposed to not losing it, I don't think most women need a gram of protein for lb of ideal or even lean body weight. I'm likely eating less than the 120g of protein that Paleobird is eating and much less than the 160 - 185g of protein Bodhi's formula would mandate for me and I don't appear to be losing lean muscle. I'm not packing on muscle, but my weight loss appears to be confined to fat and water.

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                        • Originally posted by JenCat View Post
                          Looks like I'm not getting close to enough protein, either. This thread may have solve my problem, too. I'm not at all sure how to get 120g of protein into two meals and a snack.
                          I wish I had my Protein Power Book handy...I believe the Eades recommend .8 to 1.0 grams of protein per pound of lean body mass. In my case at just under 5'5" I calculated my body mass using their charts at just around 100#. This gives me protein requirements of 80 to 100 grams. My target weight is 130-140.

                          If I targeted 1 gram of protein per target pound I would need to consume another 30-40 grams more, yikes. This also translates to 270-360 calories, which is significant either in terms of total calories or if you are controlling total input, the amount you need to deduct from carbs and protein.

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                          • The Primal Blueprint states 0.5 g as an absolute minimum but up to 1 g for active (or in need of more muscle) people per LB OF LEAN MUSCLE mass.

                            So at my 130 lbs (5' 5") and 20% ish bf I'm looking at around 52 - 100 g of protein a day. That equates to roughly 400 g of chicken or 16 eggs to give you some idea. And if you can't stomach that amount of protein look at protein powder or BCAAs! Personally I like eating the meat but I know others who really do well with the alternative options.

                            Don't forget there is a maximum amount you can metabolise in one sitting so to speak and excess can be converted to glucose so spread it across all the meals you eat in a day.
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                            • That's what I was thinking, too. You go by LBM. Still, I'm not eating enough protein either way you look at it. I think I will have to go with a protein shake (Primal Fuel) to get that much protein, but I'm definitely refocusing my attention.

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                              • You go by LBM
                                Yes.
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