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  • Some times hormones, like vitamins, MAY need to be supplemented. If thyroid hormones are low, and yes I know yours is "fine", then there's a good chance supplementing will be necessary.

    I believe you said you are post menopausal. That alone indicates a lowering of sex hormones. Low estrogen can lead to the body clinging to fat, specially belly fat, as estrogen can be made from fat cells.

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    • Well, if you are like ME then minimal carbs is the wrong answer. If I go below 50-75 a day I don't lose.

      Have you started to track your intake yet? If not I would suggest tracking for a week, no changes yet. Do it at the end of the day. That way you are not 'counting' anything, just seeing what is going on. THEN make a call about what you think needs adjustment. Try those changes for a period of time long enough to see a change, 4-6 weeks. Then go from there. You might be surprised wtih what you find. I think seeing exactly what is going on before making changes helps you know what changes to make.
      Meghan

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      Primal Ponderings- my blog- finally added some food pron :P

      And best of all my Body Fat Makeover!!

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      • Honestly, I don't belive Grok's looked lean and ripped and perfect. I think grokettes may have been kinda chubby...I think the body WANTS to have fat but since everyone eats so many carbs we never have to use any of it.

        I think if you realy want to get ripped and lean you gata watch what you eat more carefully. Ive never been fat, im eating this way to feel good and be healthy and eventually get really lean and strong, bruce lee style.

        So in my case, yeah im gonna have to watch myself. Because I can easilly eat 3000+ calories primal or not, easilly. And im a 120 lb male. Im gonna shoot for 1700 on non-workout days, 2000 on workout days.

        That being said on sundays I let myself go (primally, of course and not too much, I just go with my gut those days instead of keeping track)

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        • Originally posted by NutMeg View Post
          Have you started to track your intake yet? If not I would suggest tracking for a week, no changes yet. Do it at the end of the day. That way you are not 'counting' anything, just seeing what is going on.
          I've been tracking for the past couple of days. I enter it at the end of the day, but because I know I'm going to enter it, I have to "count" or measure. I've noticed that I've eaten less while I'm tracking. Probably because I know I'll have to enter it. So I know that the #'s I see at the end of the day don't represent what I had been eating before I started tracking.

          For example, I entered today’s eats in FitDay:
          Total Calories: 1,732
          Fat: 136.5 g, 1,198 C, 69%
          Carb: 66 g, 244 C, 14%
          Protein: 71.6 g, 290 C, 17%

          BUT I know that if I wasn't tracking, I would have also had about 8-10 macadamia nuts, a couple coconut hearts, and a square of 85%.
          "Be careful what you pretend to be because you are what you pretend to be." Kurt Vonnegut
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          • See I don't do that. I just eat and don't change it just because I am tracking.
            Meghan

            My MDA journal

            Primal Ponderings- my blog- finally added some food pron :P

            And best of all my Body Fat Makeover!!

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            • Originally posted by MountainDew View Post
              You're IF'ing for 3-4 days for 24 hrs each (why that is I still don't comprehend). I'm going with the assumption that on your non-IF days you're consuming around 1600 calories. If you only IF 3 days a week you're still only consuming 6400 calories a week. Average that it comes out to 915 calories a day. If you're not exercising that may be fine but you are. And your body is basically doing a "WTF is this chick doing?" to you and being stubborn with those few lbs.
              I'm IFing because I was told that it was the way to cure "stalled weight loss". It didn't cause the stall. The stall was already there before the IFs. Granted it is obviously not helping any and needs to be tossed of the scrap heap of stuff that sounded good on the net but didn't work IRL.
              Why does everybody assume I eat like a bird? I scarfed down 1/4 of a goose tonight plus squash, green beans, stuffing made with sausage, onions, and walnuts. And primal gravy. (recipe on request)

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              • Originally posted by Dragonfly View Post
                He thinks it's futile as a way to lose body fat. Cites studies showing that people tend to overeat when they exercise, so they never create a calorie deficit.

                Fewer carbs if you are as carb-sensitive as I am. You may still be eating too many and keeping your insulin levels too high for the fat to be released.

                Bioidentical estrogen, if your post-menopausal estrogen is too low (low estrogen triggers belly fat storage because fat produces estrogen in post menopausal women--but that might not be kosher with the docs, given your medical history...)

                FWIW, I am leaning out nicely on my 20 g carbs and 1500 calories. I have plenty of energy now that I have keto-adapted.
                But I thought he said the whole calories in calories out model was bogus. Now he's saying people overeat when they exercise and therefor don't create a calorie deficit? I thought he thought the whole idea of calorie deficits was a joke. Now I'm really confused. But maybe that's what happens when you take nutritional advice from a journalist.

                And NO, anything resembling a hormone supplement is a big NOT for breast cancer survivors.

                I'm in ketosis too. Purple ketostix and all. Under 50 a day. I guess if you are really carb sensitive it makes a difference to go from 50 to 20 and I'm glad that is working for you. I don't think that is me.

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                • I actually HEAR the frustration in your posts, that "but I'm doing that" thing. I have no pearls of wisdom really - but I would suggest, tentatively, that you count if you think that'll be a way forwards, do as people suggest and "see what happens" after a period of time. You can only do what you think is right and there is a dizzying array of "what ifs" that are being suggested. Some you obviously discount - they are wrong or dangerous for you. Others - you have tried and feel did not work.

                  Taubes seemed to me to say "beware of exercising for weight loss because you may set up carb cravings that you then give in to", not "don't exercise (though when I first saw that bit it did make me pause too). I exercise now for all the benefits - and yes to create a slight "deficit", lets call it calories - but trying not to send myself spiralling into a binge. What I will say (and I had the same utter utter confusion about this as you seem to have about what is happening to you) - I used to exercise off 2000 calories a day, eat 1200 and PUT ON WEIGHT. I still cannot fathom how that was possible. Not water - fat. I was somehow creating fat from thin air!! So, whilst I will never understand how all this science actually fits together (hormones, macros, calories, exercise, stress, sleep, vitamins - the whole thing called "life") I do for a moment get glimpses of clarity where I see sense. The rest of the time - I am acting almost on faith and "I await the results". (I am not someone getting massive physical results either - just subtle ones so far)

                  As I said, no wisdom - just a degree of sympathy with someone frustrated by "doing it right" and not seeming to get the benefits.

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                  • Thank you, Denise. It's even more frustrating when the definition of "doing it right" seems to shift with the breeze.

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                    • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                      I scarfed down 1/4 of a goose tonight plus squash, green beans, stuffing made with sausage, onions, and walnuts. And primal gravy.
                      Okay, you are so my hero. You're f*cking with my early morning IF with all that delicious talking, but definitely my hero.

                      (recipe on request)
                      Request!

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                      • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                        But I thought he said the whole calories in calories out model was bogus. Now he's saying people overeat when they exercise and therefor don't create a calorie deficit? I thought he thought the whole idea of calorie deficits was a joke. Now I'm really confused. But maybe that's what happens when you take nutritional advice from a journalist
                        i dont think he denied the energy balance - you definitely have to create an energy deficit in order to lose weight. it's that how we think we have to do it [eat less + exercise more] is flawed, because we think of them as independent variables and they're not. someone correct me if i am wrong.

                        you'll find where you need to be. keep the faith easy for some, not easy for others. myself included in the latter.

                        and primal gravy? plz share.
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                        • Time for some Lyle McDonald

                          article 1: Why Do Obese People not Lose More Weight When Treated with Low-Calorie Diets? | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald

                          article 2: How Many Carbohydrates Do You Need | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald

                          article 3: The Energy Balance Equation | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald

                          article 4: Exercise and Weight/Fat Loss: Part 1 | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald (from there, read part 2)

                          article 5: Why Big Caloric Deficits and Lots of Activity Can Hurt Fat Loss | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald

                          You know, because this thread isn't all that confusing just YET. Lyle brings a lot of numbers into his articles and is very thorough, I hope this helps somewhat! rather than confuse further keep in mind, Lyle isn't paleo and I don't think he often goes into WHAT you should eat, just gives you macro breakdowns.

                          Something's gotta be the cause of the not budging and by golly, we're going to get to the bottom of it.
                          I used to seriously post here, now I prefer to troll.

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                          • i dont think he denied the energy balance - you definitely have to create an energy deficit in order to lose weight
                            This.
                            But maybe that's what happens when you take nutritional advice from a journalist
                            Then how about taking some diet advice from a doctor?
                            This is the article (that profdjj posted originally) that made the most sense to me:
                            The Blog of Michael R. Eades, M.D. » Low-carb and calories
                            Ancestral Nutrition Coaching
                            Pregnancy Nutrition Coaching
                            Primal Pregnancy Nutrition Article

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                            • Originally posted by iniQuity View Post
                              Something's gotta be the cause of the not budging and by golly, we're going to get to the bottom of it.
                              thanks for the links - i will for sure be having a look. Clarity is always good!!

                              Had to quote you as I now have an image of lots of PBers rolling up their sleeves to "solve this sucker"

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                              • Originally posted by Dragonfly View Post
                                This.

                                Then how about taking some diet advice from a doctor?
                                This is the article (that profdjj posted originally) that made the most sense to me:
                                The Blog of Michael R. Eades, M.D. » Low-carb and calories
                                have to say, I read this after it was first posted. It is VERY clear and I have actually altered how I am eating (as an experiment) as a result of it!! Not what I wanted to hear maybe - but nice and clearly put!

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