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  • #31
    I have been in and out of therapy for years. At the moment I am doing okay though recent events have made me think perhaps I need to do some more exploring. At what point however does it just become self involved navel gazing?

    Originally posted by B. Knight View Post
    Honestly, if you can afford it, I really think you should consider seeing a Therapist. Have you seen one before? You can only do so much with Diet and reading books in my opinion.

    And seriously, I am really sorry. It may be the meds you are on causing the suicidal thoughts, you may want to search their name or ingredients online and see if they are messing with you.
    You know all those things you wanted to do: You should go do them.

    Age 48
    height 5'3
    SW 215 lbs
    CW 180 lbs (whole foods/primal eating)
    LW 172 lbs
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    • #32
      Originally posted by valmason01 View Post
      I have been in and out of therapy for years. At the moment I am doing okay though recent events have made me think perhaps I need to do some more exploring. At what point however does it just become self involved navel gazing?
      Honestly, I don't know. Have you examined your childhood and your relationship to your parents and other authority figures in your life? That is what I am in the process of doing, and I'll be starting Therapy when I can find a job to pay for it. If you are interested, I listen to an amazing Philosophy show, and every Sunday they have a call-in show for 2 hours starting at 10am EST. I've called in, you can check out the details here and listen to my call here. It may give you some insight and help you with a path forward, it has definitely helped me a ton.
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      • #33
        I have done all of that work and do recommend it. I really am much better I found it interesting though how the suicidal thoughts started creeping in when sugar and more processed foods were also allowed. That tells me that at least in my own N=1, there is a direct coorelation between food and mood.
        You know all those things you wanted to do: You should go do them.

        Age 48
        height 5'3
        SW 215 lbs
        CW 180 lbs (whole foods/primal eating)
        LW 172 lbs
        GW 125ish lbs

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        • #34
          Originally posted by valmason01 View Post
          I found it interesting though how the suicidal thoughts started creeping in when sugar and more processed foods were also allowed. That tells me that at least in my own N=1, there is a direct coorelation between food and mood.
          Ditto for me. It's called hypoglycemia - depression is the secondary symptom. Incidentally hypoglycemia isn't a condtion or an illness, per se, it's more just a body type. Those that have it should not consume sugar, unless in the middle of a hard workout, and even then its best to use alternatives if you can.
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          • #35
            Isnt that the opposite of type ii diabetes though? IT makes sense either way. What is sad is I have been lazy all day and I don't want to cook supper. I have had to sit here and talk myself out of pizza. This is while recognizing that I am having a little bit of asthma like symptoms, tight chest, have to take alot of deep long breaths and I know its from the grains I ate over the weekend. Aaaarrggghhh!

            Originally posted by Owen View Post
            Ditto for me. It's called hypoglycemia - depression is the secondary symptom. Incidentally hypoglycemia isn't a condtion or an illness, per se, it's more just a body type. Those that have it should not consume sugar, unless in the middle of a hard workout, and even then its best to use alternatives if you can.
            You know all those things you wanted to do: You should go do them.

            Age 48
            height 5'3
            SW 215 lbs
            CW 180 lbs (whole foods/primal eating)
            LW 172 lbs
            GW 125ish lbs

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            • #36
              Originally posted by valmason01 View Post
              At the moment I am doing okay though recent events have made me think perhaps I need to do some more exploring. At what point however does it just become self involved navel gazing?
              I think that's a really good question. The thing is - people who suffer from depression often ruminate and get stuck in negative cycles of thought. In my opinion, therapy is not just about talking about what's happened - it's a way of recognising how you think, and how your thoughts can shape your actions and inadvertently cause you to make your fears a reality. It's all about finding the right therapist though, and going for as long as you need = not setting a time frame on it.

              Originally posted by valmason01 View Post
              there is a direct coorelation between food and mood.
              I totally agree! I feel so much better when I am eating a balanced diet. (And "balanced" is different for everyone. I need to include some sweet treats- otherwise I can go on four day binges where I eat Ben and Jerry's for breakfast, and then starve myself for a week afterwards. THAT makes me depressed!)

              But if depression is a issue that stems from childhood, then I would think it's more than dietary. Diet just becomes part of the problem. Paraphrasing someone said on the first page - nutrition is not the answer to everything, but it definitely helps.
              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

              - Ray Peat

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              • #37
                I have spent much time over the years trying to pin down exactly why I am depressed. I mean what gets a 12 year old to the point of suicide? I was not molested or physically abused. My mother was to some degree emotionally abusive and my father did little to protect us from that. But you know, you reach a point in life where you have to say 'my parents blew it but i am now responsible for myself'. I guess at 12 I couldn't do that. And it took me a long time to get there. I don't know how much of it is a chemical imbalance, how much is food, how much is circumstances. I know that I self medicated with food from a very early age like 6 or so and still will do so though my med of choice is popcorn, potatochips, nachos, etc. I admit I have spent the night with Ben and Jerry and their chocolate chip cookie dough. Oh my my My goal now is to be off meds. I have told myself if I can consistently have physical activity for 6 months solid and develop a routine then I will start trying it.

                Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                I think that's a really good question. The thing is - people who suffer from depression often ruminate and get stuck in negative cycles of thought. In my opinion, therapy is not just about talking about what's happened - it's a way of recognising how you think, and how your thoughts can shape your actions and inadvertently cause you to make your fears a reality. It's all about finding the right therapist though, and going for as long as you need = not setting a time frame on it.



                I totally agree! I feel so much better when I am eating a balanced diet. (And "balanced" is different for everyone. I need to include some sweet treats- otherwise I can go on four day binges where I eat Ben and Jerry's for breakfast, and then starve myself for a week afterwards. THAT makes me depressed!)

                But if depression is a issue that stems from childhood, then I would think it's more than dietary. Diet just becomes part of the problem. Paraphrasing someone said on the first page - nutrition is not the answer to everything, but it definitely helps.
                You know all those things you wanted to do: You should go do them.

                Age 48
                height 5'3
                SW 215 lbs
                CW 180 lbs (whole foods/primal eating)
                LW 172 lbs
                GW 125ish lbs

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by valmason01 View Post
                  I have spent much time over the years trying to pin down exactly why I am depressed. I mean what gets a 12 year old to the point of suicide?
                  But you know, you reach a point in life where you have to say 'my parents blew it but i am now responsible for myself'. I guess at 12 I couldn't do that. And it took me a long time to get there. I don't know how much of it is a chemical imbalance, how much is food, how much is circumstances. I know that I self medicated with food from a very early age
                  If you've gotten to the point where you dont blame your parents anymore then it sounds like you're in a good place to start finding out some deeper truths Depression is still such a mystery for me. I know it's multi factoral, but I still don't know which of the factors (genes, lifestyle, thoughts) have the greatest influence. I would be inclined to think it's thoughts. Fears that take over your way of thinking can be disastrous. And thoughts are kind of genetic (we often inherit our parents fears and neurosis).

                  I don't know if you've heard of "The Life Script"? It's a theory in psychology. It makes a lot of sense to me. What is the Life Script?
                  "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                  In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                  - Ray Peat

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                  • #39
                    I don't know if you've heard of "The Life Script"? It's a theory in psychology. It makes a lot of sense to me. What is the Life Script?
                    I have never heard it called that but I am aware of the theory and aware that I certainly had a "loser" life script. Recreating it is an ongoing process. I appreciate the link. It gives me some ideas to work with.
                    You know all those things you wanted to do: You should go do them.

                    Age 48
                    height 5'3
                    SW 215 lbs
                    CW 180 lbs (whole foods/primal eating)
                    LW 172 lbs
                    GW 125ish lbs

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                    • #40
                      I have had depression on and off...but for me my biggest issue was terrible anxiety!! Recently I have been able to connect the dots and realised that my anxiety is closely linked to sugar consumption (depression probably had much the same genesis, but tended to happen more when things in my life were overall bad... so there were environmental factors there as well...)

                      I was always a sweet tooth (three teaspoons of sugar in my coffee or tea etc.) and I find sugar very addictive (eating sugar just leads to more sugar!!). My irrational anxiety had been creeping up again after Christmas (when I'd been having a lot of rubbish food) and now that I've pretty much cut out all sugar for the past couple of days my mood has been stabilised a lot.

                      Living with irrational anxiety is just awful, and I really hope this is the answer for me (at least in part... I'm not sure I'll ever be able to be a completely relaxed and cruisy person). If I can maintain a regular level of anxiety, it's all good (some anxiety isn't a bad thing always! But terrible irrational anxiety just makes living hell).

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                      • #41
                        Anyone here manic depressive? I realized a few years ago I was. It's tough because you really don't want to give up the mania, stupid as it may be. My manic episodes consisted of locking myself in my room and conjuring up wild daydreams—running for president, playing right back for Arsenal, etc... But after the mania subsides you feel like crap. Tried SSRI's but they made me sleepy all day. These days I'm off medication and focusing on keeping it even-keeled. Having a regular job routine and social contact helps. I'm finding out recently that diet and sunshine make a difference too.

                        Best of luck to the OP and anyone else who's been depressed. It really sucks when you're having it—no other way to describe it.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Iron Fireling View Post
                          I have had depression on and off...but for me my biggest issue was terrible anxiety!! Recently I have been able to connect the dots and realised that my anxiety is closely linked to sugar consumption (depression probably had much the same genesis, but tended to happen more when things in my life were overall bad... so there were environmental factors there as well...)

                          I was always a sweet tooth (three teaspoons of sugar in my coffee or tea etc.) and I find sugar very addictive (eating sugar just leads to more sugar!!). My irrational anxiety had been creeping up again after Christmas (when I'd been having a lot of rubbish food) and now that I've pretty much cut out all sugar for the past couple of days my mood has been stabilised a lot.

                          Living with irrational anxiety is just awful, and I really hope this is the answer for me (at least in part... I'm not sure I'll ever be able to be a completely relaxed and cruisy person). If I can maintain a regular level of anxiety, it's all good (some anxiety isn't a bad thing always! But terrible irrational anxiety just makes living hell).
                          Sugar consumption really can cause a lot of the unnecessary anxiety/depression that we experience day to day - I've found that since I stopped eating it, I rarely get the same problems. I think that for someone with those predispositions such as ourselves, diet can mean the difference between being depressed for a few hours and being depressed for years. You can never fully escape it but then we're not meant to anyway.
                          Healthy is the new wealthy.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by valmason01 View Post
                            Isnt that the opposite of type ii diabetes though? IT makes sense either way. What is sad is I have been lazy all day and I don't want to cook supper. I have had to sit here and talk myself out of pizza. This is while recognizing that I am having a little bit of asthma like symptoms, tight chest, have to take alot of deep long breaths and I know its from the grains I ate over the weekend. Aaaarrggghhh!
                            Yes Hypoglycemia is the exact opposite of diabetes, although ironically, it can actually LEAD to diabetes, a bit like a flood leading to a drought.

                            I hope you talked yourself out of pizza :-) My thing at the moment is to have some crunchy cucumber in the fridge - although I might need some other diversions soon if I get bored of it
                            Last edited by Owen; 12-30-2012, 03:32 PM.
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                            • #44
                              I did talk myself out of the pizza and gave in to the potato chips. Of the two the chips were a better idea but kinda like a filtered cigarette is better than a non filtered one Slow steps! Slow steps!

                              Why are we not meant to escape depression?

                              Originally posted by Owen View Post
                              Yes Hypoglycemia is the exact opposite of diabetes, although ironically, it can actually LEAD to diabetes, a bit like a flood leading to a drought.

                              I hope you talked yourself out of pizza :-) My thing at the moment is to have some crunchy cucumber in the fridge - although I might need some other diversions soon if I get bored of it
                              You know all those things you wanted to do: You should go do them.

                              Age 48
                              height 5'3
                              SW 215 lbs
                              CW 180 lbs (whole foods/primal eating)
                              LW 172 lbs
                              GW 125ish lbs

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by valmason01 View Post

                                Why are we not meant to escape depression?
                                I should clarify that - I meant its natural to experience both good and bad moods, we are not designed to be in high spirits 24 hours a day although of course we shoud be in a good mood most of the time :-)
                                Last edited by Owen; 12-30-2012, 05:50 PM.
                                Healthy is the new wealthy.

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