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  • WHY Does CW Still Stick With the Same Message?

    As most (hopefully all) of us here no, CW is full of bovine excrement when it comes to healthy eating advice. We have all read over and over, in many books, that high fiber, low fat, etc. is not the way to go. Even the "new and improved" food pyramid is still based on grains (listing meat last, with the second smallest sliver behind fats).

    http://www.mypyramid.gov/pyramid/index.html

    My question is WHY? If there are multiple studies proving Ancel Keys (for example) wrong, why do physicians still tout the same message? Why does the government, WHO, CDC, etc. still say low carb/paleo/primal is a fad?

    Carrie

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    Because people are too lazy to think for themselves -- groupthink is self-perpetuating. Because there are agricultural subsidies at stake and the interested parties lobby to keep them there. Because the litigious state of this country keeps medical practitioners super conservative in their thinking lest they be sued for malpractice because they're prescribing a diet that isn't in line with the government's guidelines (because, y'know, they're infallible).

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    • #3
      Follow the money.

      There is very little to "sell" with regard to primal, it really is an anti-consumerist lifestyle by default. With healthcare, farming and most importantly congress bought and paid for by large corporations you have your answer.
      Wheat is the new tobacco. Spread the word.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by IvyBlue View Post
        Follow the money.

        There is very little to "sell" with regard to primal, it really is an anti-consumerist lifestyle by default. With healthcare, farming and most importantly congress bought and paid for by large corporations you have your answer.
        This.

        Don't forget the FDA, USDA, ADA, AMA, ACS and AHA, and all the other 'super important acronyms' that make the rules that all must play by, whether they realize it or not.
        Chief cook & bottle washer for one kid, a dog, 6 hens, 2 surprise! roosters, two horses, and a random 'herd' of quail.

        ~The ultimate ignorance is the rejection of something one knows nothing about and refuses to investigate~

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        • #5
          Big business + Big government = fascism

          You're just noticing the propaganda that keeps the house of cards up.
          Brad

          late onset type1 diabetic 4-27-10 @ age 30

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          • #6
            Ask any one of the thousands of lobbyists in washington. Watch "King Corn" (video) and you will see the light.

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            • #7
              "Fat Head" is another movie that points out some of the reasons we're being given the messages that are dished out by the government and health care "experts."

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              • #8
                Without the corn subsidies the whole food industry would come tumbling down and food prices would come up. Your taxes pay for cheaper food. Don't you love how that works.
                Check out my primal blog: http://primalroar.posterous.com/

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                • #9
                  As for physicians, most doctors don't reevaluate what they were taught in med school. They got scanty nutritional training as it is and what they did get was the party line, not the latest research. If they're part of a hospital or larger practice, they can get in trouble for advocating anything but what the administration has decided is the correct nutritional advice. Same with nutritionists. So they feed you what they got from the USDA, which is getting it from King Corn.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by IvyBlue View Post
                    Follow the money.

                    There is very little to "sell" with regard to primal, it really is an anti-consumerist lifestyle by default. With healthcare, farming and most importantly congress bought and paid for by large corporations you have your answer.
                    This is the best answer. Primal/Paleo eating is basically just natural meat and produce. That's about it. There is nothing to package or process into cute shapes or crazy flavors to keep changing and selling as the new thing. It would literally cripple the food industry, and I imagine at least a million jobs, if a primal diet was promoted as healthy. The government, big agriculture and all other financially interested parties will see that it never happens.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by john_e_turner_ii View Post
                      This is the best answer. Primal/Paleo eating is basically just natural meat and produce. That's about it. There is nothing to package or process into cute shapes or crazy flavors to keep changing and selling as the new thing. It would literally cripple the food industry, and I imagine at least a million jobs, if a primal diet was promoted as healthy. The government, big agriculture and all other financially interested parties will see that it never happens.
                      And here we are advocating pastured diets for animals and natural fats! What are the poor corn and soybean producers to do?

                      I don't think it would cripple the processed food industry, though. People eat stuff they know is bad for them every day. People still smoke. I'm pretty sure they've heard by now how bad it is for them. It could make a dent, though. It would also open a market for pseudo-primal food. When fat became the villain, out came the Snackwells. When Atkins was huge, there were all sorts of pseudo foods on the market touting low carb.

                      On the bright side, I'd rather see more land devoted to pasture, nut orchards, and coconut palms than stripped bare for grain!

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                      • #12
                        Part of it is also that the government and most of the nutritional world went all in with the low-fat paradigm and can't bring themselves to start eating that crow. Taubes broke that down beautifully in this 2002 article. Man, I wish I'd read it then.

                        http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/07/ma...?pagewanted=11

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MightyAl View Post
                          Without the corn subsidies the whole food industry would come tumbling down and food prices would come up. Your taxes pay for cheaper food. Don't you love how that works.
                          No, people would just pay closer to what food actually costs. Subsidies just produce the illusion of cheaper food

                          With subsidies we are paying MORE for food than we would without them, gotta pay for that ineffecient government middle man...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jspradley View Post
                            No, people would just pay closer to what food actually costs. Subsidies just produce the illusion of cheaper food

                            With subsidies we are paying MORE for food than we would without them, gotta pay for that ineffecient government middle man...
                            We are paying more in the aggregate. Since our taxation is progressive, it subsidizes food for low income people while higher income people are paying a good deal more. That was part of the original stated purpose of the subsidies: To help end malnutrition for impoverished people by giving them cheap sources of food. What is that they say about the road to hell?

                            Of course, us primal folks pay a lot more, regardless of income, because we're paying the tax and not benefiting from the subsidized food. It probably even drives the cost of things like pastured meat up because it becomes a specialty item rather than normal agriculture.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DaisyEater View Post
                              We are paying more in the aggregate. ....
                              Someone, somewhere, is paying more. Just to pick a random example, ever wonder why bananas are so cheap? The people who grow and pick them are kept in abject poverty.

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