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    As a middle aged man eating mostly primal for the past 6 months or so, I have noticed that I tend to have more aggressive thoughts and feel like I am at the brink of physical altercations more. This is odd because I think the last time I was in a fight was sometime between Kindergarten and first grade.

    Now sometimes I probably had these thoughts before, especially in certain stressful situations like riding on a crowded subway, being at a busy shopping mall and having people texting nearly walk into and spill something on you, driving on a crowded road, etc. And it could just be that before starting primal I fortuitously was not in the type of situation that triggers an aggressive response. What seems to have changed though is how I have to fight back the urge to not step over the line from feeling angry to doing something about it--like wanting to beat the S*** out of someone.

    Has anybody else, particularly men, noticed this. If so, what have you done about it. Has anybody taken up a sport like karate or krav maga or some other martial art to mollify or redirect these aggressive tendencies?

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    I'm not a man, so I can only speak theoretically. However, I believe that one of the premises of Primal living is that it makes the hormone balance better. If you've not have any "anger" urges since Kindergarten, that makes me wonder if you've also had an imbalance of testosterone all this time? I'm just saying that my personal observation is that men with low-testosterone tend to be conflict-avoiders; they self-report that they rarely "feel" angry. Teen-age boys who get "normal" amounts of testosterone often want to fight everything that twitches, until they learn how to control those urges.

    So maybe what is happening here is that Primal living has finally gotten your body's testosterone into a balance/level that you are feeling those urges for the first time in your life?

    btw -- I think that's a good thing. And yes, my suggestion would be to channel it.

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    • #3
      Mmmm increased testosterone... ... talk about goodness!...

      embrace your dark side Luke... er ..um.. Jeff...

      haha in all seriousness increase 'aggressiveness' is normal (or so I would say) just don't go attacking people... ... revel in your new found 'beastly' mentality and find a good outlet... using that aggression can take a workout to the next level or motivate you in something like Krav Maga... if you are seriously close to attacking people I would suggest NOT a martial art though... no need to get better at hurting if you are already close :-P...

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      • #4
        i have noticed this in a way, i definitely have a more aggressive tendency but have used it in the gym more than anything. i wonder if its the increase in testosterone from eating healthy. As far as beating the snot out of someone i haven't gotten to that point but i notice that i don't allow people to push me around as much and when criticized or poked at by someone i just push back on them. But i definitely attempt to harnesh that aggression and channel it into higher PR's in the gym. 300LBs deadlift here i come.

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        • #5
          Sure if you we're a vegan soy feeder before, hormone levels might change drastically. Otherwise your increased aggression could stem from having accepted injustices and idiots all your life. Being passive all the time is against male nature, and it will cause a gradual rise in pent up emotion.
          This is just a theory based on classic high-school Freud, but finding some method for releasing your emotions might be beneficial

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Fatkid View Post
            if you are seriously close to attacking people I would suggest NOT a martial art though... no need to get better at hurting if you are already close :-P...
            First, this isn't true - there's nothing better than martial art for channelling these urges. I know several guys who were 'problematic', shall we say, before taking up martial art. Now they are as cool as the proverbial cucumber.

            As for the OP, I've noticed a rise in general raaaaaaaaaaage as well since going primal and starting lifting proper weights, and as both of these increase your testosterone then that's what I'm putting it down to.
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            • #7
              invest in a good full length punching bag to kick and punch the crap out of. martial arts is also a good outlet, many practice self control and discipline over attack mode.

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              • #8
                iv noticed a difference as well.
                i am much less tolerant of bullshit from other people.

                you are connecting with your inner alpha male. its inside you so dont fight it, accept it, use it.
                We need to have a global discussion about the epidemic of donut murder

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                • #9
                  I've had this, too (I'm not a guy, though.)
                  I'm way happier lately, but I find that when people are bothering me, I have strong urges to throw shit on the floor/break stuff tell them to fuck off. I try to avoid acting on these impulses, LOL. I'm frequently in situations where I have to hold my tongue no matter what, I guess the frustration from that just builds up.

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                  • #10
                    if you really feel like your emotions are on the brink of being out of control, you may just want to deal with them more closely and work through whatever is making you so aggressive. my shrink has me working through this book, and so far it has been wonderful. it's all about the human emotional response, and how to manage it more effectively.

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                    • #11
                      You think eating primal makes you more aggressive, ridiculous! If I knew where you lived I come and kick your ass! Haha!
                      Really you probably just feel so much better now that kicking butt seems as easy as not.
                      Also your thinking a lot more clearly now. So you’re starting to see how many people need to be kick in the butt!
                      And the meek shall inherit the earth.
                      What good is a used up world, and how could it be worth having?

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                      • #12
                        Interesting comments. It would not surprise me if I have had an imbalance and the diet is correcting it.

                        It may be something seasonal too. In the summer time, the climate seems to promote lethargy naturally. I am also physically more active in the summer by bike riding about 4 to 6 hours a week to work which is just much more difficult when it is 20F in the winter. So I find that in the winter, I have a bit more surplus energy that does not get burned which may contribute to my aggression. This is also the first winter where I have been trying to eat mostly primal

                        I usually do a lot of kettlebell workouts which are a bit like martial arts. There is something about the striking aspect of martial arts which is appealing though. I would love to get a punching bag but there is really no place for it in my house.

                        I don't feel like my emotions are out of control but, as others have noted, way less tolerant. My wife also complains that sometimes when IFing or eating very low carb I can be a D***.

                        I would like to hit a 300lb deadlift, I got high 200s not too long ago.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JeffC View Post
                          I don't feel like my emotions are out of control but, as others have noted, way less tolerant. My wife also complains that sometimes when IFing or eating very low carb I can be a D***.
                          this sounds like a blood sugar thing to me. maybe you were insulin resistant and now, with your improved diet, you are gaining some sensitivity. Rises and drops in blood sugar levels significantly shorten my fuse. this is also the case with my husband. when he's really hungry, he can become downright nasty, so i have to bring out the mama bear impulse and make him hide in his cave until his food digests a little. you can try balancing out your meals a little. for example, if you decided to have a sweet potato with dinner, make sure to include plenty of fat and protein with your meal and keep the sweet potato portion small. avoid eating anything sweet or carby on its own. i can find more complete info on this for you if you'd like.
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                          • #14
                            You may want to get a thorough physical since changes like you describe are also symptoms of other potentially worrisome illnesses. A family member of mine experienced same and it was discovered he had brain tumor. So, it might be nothing or it could be more serious. It could just be normal hormonal variations that occur with major physiologocal changes in diet or lifestyle.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Digby View Post
                              You may want to get a thorough physical since changes like you describe are also symptoms of other potentially worrisome illnesses. A family member of mine experienced same and it was discovered he had brain tumor. So, it might be nothing or it could be more serious. It could just be normal hormonal variations that occur with major physiologocal changes in diet or lifestyle.
                              Hairtrigger anger or irritability can also be a sign of depression.

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