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    My carb consumption increased significantly after the birth of my baby 3 months ago, mostly in the form of rice and lentils. Now I'm trying to get back to primal WOE. After eating an almost primal diet yesterday, I'm having slight low-carb symptoms today - headache and light headedness. I'm aware that these symptoms can also be caused by the body trying to get rid of toxins. My question - can these toxins go to my baby through breast milk? I'm not as concerned about losing fat now as I am about going back to eating clean. But at the same time I don't want my baby to get toxins from my body. What would Grokette do?

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    I am and would nurse through it. Breastfeeding provides so many benefits that it's probably worth it to have a few toxins pass through.

    You can actually test your milk for ketones, which are the "toxins" that everyone is worried about. I use ketone test strips to make sure I'm not passing them though my milk. Ketones are actually needed for a growing baby brain so it seems a little silly to be worried about a few of them getting through. I keep my carbs higher than 60g a day and I manage to stay out of ketosis, ymmv.

    Also remember Ms. Grock would have been eating lower carbs, and at times would be in ketosis, releasing "toxins" so clearly we were designed to survive that.


    http://neonatal.ama.ttuhsc.edu/discu...tml?1052170264

    Also Dr. Hale, who is an expert on breastfeeding and drug safety says it's not dangerous.
    Last edited by katzilla; 01-03-2011, 09:50 AM. Reason: Added a link
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    • #3
      Thanks katzilla! Not BFing is not an option. I was only wondering if I should increase my carb intake to avoid quick weight loss and thus the release of toxins. I'm not concerned about the ketones passing to the baby, only the nasty stuff my body may be harboring from eating not-so-clean in the last 3 months. Thanks for assuring me that it won't affect the baby.

      Kellymom website says eating low-carb can affect milk supply as a result of the reduced calories. That's another concern of mine too. Even when eating primal, my carbs tend to be on the higher side (>= 90g).

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      • #4
        You probably have established your milk supply well enough at 3 months that you wont have issues. My experience is that being primal has no effect on my supply. In fact I am taking b6 to lower my supply. If you do notice a drop just start offering the breast more and up your carbs
        5 foot 5 female.
        Starting weight 187 (10/4/10)
        Got knocked up; Had 3rd babby.
        Current weight 128 (8/20/2012)
        Goal weight 150 (pre-pregnancy weight); Goal weight #2 135 (ideal); Newest goal? RIPPED. I WANNA BE RIPPED.



        "Bring a knife to a gun fight--stab them while they're laughing"
        "You were born a winner- you were the fastest sperm"
        I prefer to take life advice from courage wolf

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        • #5
          Fenugreek also helps increase your supply if you should need it. I found that low carb decreased my supply personally, but the fenugreek worked wonders!
          Also, think of it this way, the toxins in your milk(if you end up going lower carb and release toxins) isn't nearly as bad as the toxins in what you eat should you continue to eat less than optimal choices daily. Also, the amt of toxins that go through that avenue isn't that much, our bodies are smart, there are many other avenues in which to release toxins.
          Just my 2 cents worth

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          • #6
            Go for it maba! I found I felt so much better when I dropped the carbs while breastfeeding!
            The more I see the less I know for sure.
            -John Lennon

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            • #7
              Personally, I would take it very slowly and wean off of carbs gradually by eating some winter squashes, sweet potatoes, maybe a little rice and white potato. There's no hurry and you need to keep your energy up as well as your milk supply. I have always found day number 3 to be the worst when shifting from high carb to low carb. I stupidly tried a low carb diet while still breastfeeding my daughter and felt so horrible that I practically crawled to the pantry and inhaled half a box of cheerios. Gradual is better IMHO. Best wishes to you and your little one. Such a special time. Sigh.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by shat View Post
                Personally, I would take it very slowly and wean off of carbs gradually by eating some winter squashes, sweet potatoes, maybe a little rice and white potato. There's no hurry and you need to keep your energy up as well as your milk supply. I have always found day number 3 to be the worst when shifting from high carb to low carb. I stupidly tried a low carb diet while still breastfeeding my daughter and felt so horrible that I practically crawled to the pantry and inhaled half a box of cheerios. Gradual is better IMHO. Best wishes to you and your little one. Such a special time. Sigh.
                Yes, definitely listen to your body!

                Also I forgot to mention that I soak in epsom salts almost daily (2 cups for a bathtub full of water) and they are detoxifying as well as soothing and good for skin and hair!
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                • #9
                  Aww, thank you all!

                  @katzilla: Are you having an over-supply? May I ask how old the grokaroo is? I suspect I have an over-supply too but at this point I don't want to do anything that may result in decreasing the milk. I have forceful let-downs in the mornings especially and as a result, my baby cries a bit initially.

                  @splunky: "the toxins in your milk(if you end up going lower carb and release toxins) isn't nearly as bad as the toxins in what you eat should you continue to eat less than optimal choices daily" - I didn't think about it, totally makes sense.

                  @shat: That's the way I'm planning to do it, slowly easing back into Primal WOE.

                  @lil_em: Long time, no see! I haven't visited your blog in ages too. Thanks for the epsom salt suggestion.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by maba View Post
                    My carb consumption increased significantly after the birth of my baby 3 months ago, mostly in the form of rice and lentils. Now I'm trying to get back to primal WOE. After eating an almost primal diet yesterday, I'm having slight low-carb symptoms today - headache and light headedness. I'm aware that these symptoms can also be caused by the body trying to get rid of toxins. My question - can these toxins go to my baby through breast milk? I'm not as concerned about losing fat now as I am about going back to eating clean. But at the same time I don't want my baby to get toxins from my body. What would Grokette do?
                    Unfortunately, with humans being at the top of the food chain, your baby will get your toxins during pregnancy and breastfeeding no matter what - whether or not you loose weight, whether or not you are in ketosis. Since our bodies are designed to get rid of toxins, the best bet is to supply said body with what it needs and let (in this case) nature do it's thing.

                    http://www.sightline.org/research/en...ngraber_essay/

                    Don't stress about it; don't think on it....just eat as cleanly as possible minimizing both food toxins (ie skins on tubers, legumes) and food supply toxins (ie choose organic )

                    I also wouldn't worry about the oversupply unless it's causing symptoms in baby - ie green, mucousy stools, gassiness and general discomfort, choking/breast refusal. It's often easiest to just feed baby upright (sling or upright carrier or sitting upright straddled on your lap) so baby can control the flow at the times of day when OALD/OS is an issue.


                    K
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                    • #11
                      Cillakat, I was thinking of sending you a message about OS. Thanks for the suggestions. I've noticed the OS issues only after Baby S started sleeping through the night. Now, I try to nurse him in his sleep 2-3 times in the night and I feel a little better in the mornings.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by maba View Post
                        Cillakat, I was thinking of sending you a message about OS. Thanks for the suggestions. I've noticed the OS issues only after Baby S started sleeping through the night. Now, I try to nurse him in his sleep 2-3 times in the night and I feel a little better in the mornings.
                        Hmmmm. Your baby who is growing and gaining well, started, of his own volition, sleeping through the night.....and you....discouraged this? We are always teaching them things....always. It seems that in this case, it might be wise to allow and support his innate intelligence regarding sleep and not feed him unnecessarily. Of course, advice would be different if supply were marginal or he were not growing and gaining appropriately.

                        You feel full in the mornings because he wasn't feeding. It would take only a few weeks for your body to adjust and downregulate production at those times and to produce appropriately at times when he is alert, awake and feeding well.

                        As long as the baby is growing, gaining and there are no supply problems "don't wake the baby" seems to be a logical guideline. Afterall, at some point, our modern lives will require that we learn to sleep well and long through the night. He was doing *on his own* what is, over the long haul, best for his health and growth and what is best for your health and cognitive function.


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                        • #13
                          Lots of good advice here! especially about supply - since you're past the initial 12wks of establishing supply, and you don't have to worry about low supply just go w/the flow. I moved to PB WOE back in Nov... and made a slow transition to it. at the time I had been bfing ds for 8mths. I'm now in the process of trying to cut my coffee syrup out of my morning coffee... I haven't lost a lot of wt yet and I tend to be on the higher end of carbs but I've found that my supply has stayed level since moving to the PB WOE. I have a history of low supply problems and take medication to maintain my supply.

                          ds has always nursed multiple times through the night and I'm ok w/that... he's starting to decrease the # of night nursings and I just go w/it... through there are the times he still nurses every hr through out the night (Especially when he's teething, in a growth spurt, or he's working on a new developmental milestone!) We cosleep so its not a bother to me, the only time I wake up is when he starts to twiddle when he's done with 1 side and its time to go to the other...I usually fall right back to sleep once I move him to the other side. Though I do plan to start to night weaning next fall when he reaches 18mths...

                          do what feels right to you... if you're working out (LHT, sprinting & long walks) and you find you need more of a boost - have some good carbs!
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                          • #14
                            yeah, my doc (whom i loved, and i don't say that lightly because i have greatly disliked most of them throughout my life) used the "never wake a sleeping baby" line with me.

                            now, my guy was about 6 weeks old when he started sleeping "through the night" which means 5 hours at a time. he would sleep from 8 until 2, wake and feed, and then sleep from 2:30ish until 7:30ish. at about a year or so, he was going 8-7. So, he's quite good at the sleeping thing. Still is.

                            if you have a good sleeper, keep it that way. He'll wake when he's hungry.

                            now, my guy is 2 and 4 months and we nurse 3 times a day, completely contained because it's all i can handle. it's called "yums time" for him, and it's when he wakes (if he wants), when he goes down for his nap (assuming he does -- usually around 11), and when he goes down to bed (7 -- usually asleep by 7:30).

                            i'm fairly certain i'll let him finish on his own, unless i feel like it's a burden on me. kwim?

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                            • #15
                              or she. i realized that i hadn't paid close attention when i wrote as to whether you had a boy or a girl. sorry about that.

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