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  • #16
    Look at IPL - that is supposedly even better than Laser Hair Removal. I found a great deal on www.wahanda.com (3 sessions for 89.00) and after having my sessions decided to buy an IPL machine (250). That way I can do it in the privacy of my home and it keeps the cost down.

    WoW (word of warning): Laser and IPL work best on fair skin and dark hair. True blonds are the least likely to see results.

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    • #17
      Hey I know a lot of places use different types of wax. I wish I could tell you which ones are better, but I know when I used to have this done my waxer always preferred one kind over another as it caused less issues down there. The other thing just to bring up, if this is something you are going to have done regularly you should look at laser. I found out I was spending a fortune monthly to do this when I could have had it lasered and done with. It takes a few times at first and then you just have to get touch ups, but it ends up being so much cheaper if you are waxing on a consistent basis.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by r_squared02 View Post
        Do you have Magic Shaving Powder there? The best kind is in a gold can. It's purpose in life is for men's facial hair, but it works really nicely for other purposes, lol. It's important to test a spot of skin first of course, but make it into a paste and slather it on. Wait 10 minutes, remove with some type of plastic edge...I usually use an old Visa giftcard! Rinse off. Super smooth, no bumps. It is super important not to use soap right afterwards and do not under any circumstances try using it again before 48 hours. Trust me...ouch.
        I tried this on my facial hair once as an experiment... Definately do a test spot! My face was bright red and irritated the next 3 days.

        For me, the best way to shave is a double edge safety razor, unused fresh, and Dr. Bronners Peppermint Soap lathered up and applied with a shaving brush.

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        • #19
          I get such bad ingrowns and bumps from shaving, but never from waxing. (Other than initial redness.) I haven't splurged since I had kids, but I have been tempted with the new bod (similar to your story Zoebird, feeling more confident, but bathingsuits require grooming!) I go home, cleanse with witch hazel and then massage in a bit of coconut oil. Then I wear something soft like yoga pants or a skirt and NO underwear, as rubbing on the irritated skin causes sores/chafing type issues. All good by the next day!
          The more I see the less I know for sure.
          -John Lennon

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          • #20
            it seems that people have a lot of different 'tricks' so it's good to have a nice list.

            considering how long it takes my hair to grow (at least on my legs, underarms, etc), i think i would be able to maintain it with every-other month appointments, which cuts down on costs. but, i wouldn't go with LHR until i know that it's how i want to look permanently, you know? i like having options. LOL

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            • #21
              Here is a post that might be helpful

              http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...968#post124968


              Purchase

              LMX-4 (it's otc)
              cortisone cream
              baby wipes - small pack
              ibuprofen (motrin, advil, store brand)

              Make Apt
              choose service provider based on recommendations from friends, yelp etc
              Timing is everything.
              plan for waxing around ovulation - a few days prior is ideal- ....you're significantly less sensitive to pain.


              Prepare

              1)timing is everything. plan for waxing around ovulation - a few days prior is ideal- ....you're significantly less sensitive to pain.
              2)trim everything you want waxed to about a 1/4 inch
              3)so an hour before:
              shower. thoroughly
              take 800 mg ibuprofen with enough food to protect your stomach. (a hb egg, marrow and/or nko are perfect - the phosophlipids bond with the ibuprofen which both makes it more effective and keeps it from damaging your gut.)
              4)dry off, apply several large pea sized blobs of LMX to every bit of your bikini area that will have hair removed....every bit. Use a mirror if necessary. Don't use more LMX...you absolutely can OD on lidocaine. It takes 60 minutes to reach max effect to reach max effect - so be meticulous with your timing
              5)sit or lay on towel on floor until it's very throughly dry. I usually wait about 10 minutes.
              6)gather baby wipes, cortisone and head in for the apt.

              At the appointment
              when she leaves the room for you to undress, use baby wipes to wipe off any lmx residue and to freshen up.
              keep talking during waxing...use techniques like 'non-focused awareness' ....keep breathing slow and low. very slow and low.
              when she's finished, apply cortisone 1x fairly liberally.
              soreness is unlikely to persist after she's done....but a nice 'sensitive' sensation is present....good time for great sex



              Follow up
              If you have have issues with ingrowns - or even if you never do - use bha or an rx retinoid once a week to encourage cell turnover and reduce the possibility of ingrowns.

              Since it takes about 6 weeks for each hair to begin to grow back, weekly epilation will be removing only 1/6th of what you'd be pulling out normally. Thus, it's much less painful. Honestly, to me, it no longer hurts....it's just sensation. However, if I let it go past two weeks...ugh. It's not fun but now that I've been doing it a long time, I can manage it.

              Mine - braun silk epil epilator:
              http://www.amazon.com/Braun-5270-Sil...5139156&sr=8-1

              Also have heard great things about the panasonics:
              http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...ilator&x=0&y=0



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              • #22
                I've tried about 5 sessions of IPL and it made not a shred of difference. I have dark hair and fair skin, it should have made "some" difference in my opinion. And lets not mention the price... oh my god, so expensive for no change. grrr. I have strong coarse pubic hair that frankly I think has roots that go to china when I get waxed. I get the ingrowns, bumps, lumps everything. It's just a bloody pain in the arse frankly. I bought a special lotion that you apply to help with ingrowns. well cant say I noticed that much improvement, I've still got them and it makes your skin quite flaky in that area. I would love to know the answer to these problems.

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                • #23
                  and specifically wrt ingrowns:

                  chemical exfoliation will be more helpful than physical.
                  http://www.iherb.com/Devita-High-Per...-ml/23013?at=0
                  http://www.amazon.com/Treatment-Sali...289379&sr=8-15

                  I tend to prefer 1/2 pea size of prescription retinoid, diluted in any random serum/lotion/water, applied to the area of hair removal....about once a week will do it generally.

                  Alternatively, more frequent, but not too frequent as to be irritating, applications of any BHA/salicylic acid toner/serum or AHA toner/serum will do the trick.

                  TTO isn't helpful for avoiding ingrowns. It can be effective where acne is an issue due to it's antimicrobial properties but ingrowns aren't a result of a bacteria (ie p acnes) but rather are simply a cell turnover issue.

                  Try to find the max rate at which you can apply your exfoliants wiithout causing irritation. I generally use something about once every other day. On my legs, I exfoliate daily with 'scrubby gloves'.

                  When I feel up to it, I exfoliate with a combo of sour cream [(or full fat yogurt)...lactic acid] and crushed aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid). The result is divinely soft skin for a couple of weeks. An effective ratio is 1/4 tsp crushed aspirin per T sourcream/yogurt. More aspirin is fine too. To streamline the process, I generally grind a bottle of aspirin at a time in the coffee mill (in batches) then pour back into the aspirin bottle with a funnel made of a rolled peice of paper.

                  Just mix the aspirin and yogurt, apply, wait as long as you can, rinse in the shower.

                  Oh, and dry brushing is great for exfoliation...except for the bikini area
                  Last edited by cillakat; 12-13-2010, 06:17 PM.



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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Suse View Post
                    I bought a special lotion that you apply to help with ingrowns. well cant say I noticed that much improvement, I've still got them and it makes your skin quite flaky in that area. I would love to know the answer to these problems.
                    Why IPL and not laser? (IPL is less effective for hair removal)

                    What were you using that made your skin flaky? Rather than leaving it on, it might be more effective to use 'short contact therapy' - ie applying the topical, leaving it on for a minute, then rinsing it off. You still get much benefit but with much less irritation. You can also up the frequency. It may also be helpful to switch out the exfoliants - ie lactic v. BHA v. mandelic v. malic. v. azelaic v. glycolic v. rx retinoid....

                    http://www.realself.com/article/IPL.html
                    IPL Hair Removal

                    If you have unwanted dark hair and you're sick of waxing, tweezing, and shaving, you may want to consider IPL. Light colored hair does not respond to IPL treatments. IPL hair removal works by delivering energy to the dark hair follicle. The energy heats up the follicle and eventually destroys the hair-growing structure. That said, according to the UK Department of Health, IPL does not provide permanent hair removal. Laser hair removal may offer better results.
                    IPL Hair Removal vs. Laser Hair Removal

                    According to the American Academy of Dermatology, lasers can work broader areas of skin than IPL. As a result, IPL hair removal is often more time consuming and costly than laser hair removal. This may explain why you'll find dozens of laser hair removal centers in your area with constant advertised discounts and relatively few IPL hair removal providers.
                    K



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                    • #25
                      thanks C.

                      ok, so, here is what i am thinking.

                      cycle-wise, i'm in the early phase of fertility, ovulation should happen by the end of the week (saturday/sunday) when i head out of town on our vacation. on friday, i'm completely booked, but i could do it *early* on saturday if there is an appointment, otherwise i'd have to do it tomorrow afternoon.

                      i don't use ibprophen and stuff--i assume it's to reduce inflammation to the area, and not meant to be a pain reducer per se? i don't really think pain is the issue for me, btu if it helps with swelling/reactivity of that sort, then i'll ask for some from a friend (since we don't keep any). does it take an hour to get into the system to have an effect?

                      i take it that the cortisone cream is to reduce inflammation of the site as well.

                      i assume that the lidocaine cream is to help with pain, and nothing else. i really don't think that's necessary for me; i don't expect it to be too painful, and i have a really high threshold anyway. but, is there another purpose?

                      of those various exfoliation processes, the aspirin/yogurt combo would be easiest for me to get ahold of, and least expensive, as i'm not too "up" on drug stores these days, or what to look for, or what have you. honestly, i get overwhelmed in the grocery store (5 years of mostly direct-from-farm, farmer's markets, and farm stands will do that to you!). could i "just" do this one every few days or so to start, and then go to once a week as we go, and so on?

                      Also, this lady is really cool. spent about 30 minutes talking with her, and she said that she does "check ups" each week after your first brazilian for free, to make sure that you aren't in pain, that there are no reactions to look out for, and to tweeze anything that may be growing in. It also gives her a clear sense of what the hair growth rate is, and when to schedule the appointments, and how long those appointments may be (depending upon hair type, skin type, type of wax or sugar used, and so on). she *really* knows her stuff. She might also have a toner that i can use, but we'll talk about that at the first appointment.

                      she's holding it for me for tomorrow afternoon and also for saturday morning, but i ahve to get back t her. otherwise, we wait a month.

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                      • #26
                        so, i'm waiting a month. talked with DH about it, and he figures that between the 20000 things we have to do before we go on vacation for two weeks (saturday), and the tribunal on friday --wherein i do not want to be stating my case while simultaneously trying not to scratch should anything happen down there-- and the fact that vacay will likely be sexless because we'll be sharing a room with my aunt (who is cool, and would give us privacy, but still), we just figure it will be more enjoyable when we get back from vacation. it will still be summer.

                        more fun that way, i think.

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                        • #27
                          Ever try the "No!No!" ?

                          It actually looks very promising. I'm considering purchasing it myself.

                          https://www.trynono.com/
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                          • #28
                            OMG, this is all so complicated and, and .... bleeding?! ripping hairs from inner labia?! This is madness!
                            "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -- Hippocrates

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by cillakat View Post
                              Why IPL and not laser? (IPL is less effective for hair removal)

                              What were you using that made your skin flaky? Rather than leaving it on, it might be more effective to use 'short contact therapy' - ie applying the topical, leaving it on for a minute, then rinsing it off. You still get much benefit but with much less irritation. You can also up the frequency. It may also be helpful to switch out the exfoliants - ie lactic v. BHA v. mandelic v. malic. v. azelaic v. glycolic v. rx retinoid....

                              http://www.realself.com/article/IPL.html


                              K
                              well I understood IPL was laser? so now i"m even more confused. and of course I was told it was supposed to be effective but as I say after 5 treatments there was no difference really. I was using a salicylic acid type toner product, it didnt irritate my skin per se, just makes it flaky. I suppose I could rinse after using it but not sure what the point of that would be, surely the idea is for the skin to slough off. Maybe i need to use my scrubby glove more often.

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                              • #30
                                Suse,
                                IPL and Laser are different. I was told that IPL has less side effects, that Laser can actually burn you etc.

                                Being dark haired and fair skinned I have had tremendous success with IPL - after 3 treatments my bikini line is almost hair free. Sorry to hear that it didn't work for you.

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