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  • Love the gin martini idea too, but between getting older and Primal, I seriously can't drink at all.

    Definitely a sad part of going Primal, though it's worth it to feel better.
    Durp.

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    • I have a little trouble getting to this thread. Usually I go to Primal Nutrition and choose from there.

      It's dreary and overcast here after raining all night. This is not uplifting! I read an article on Mercola the other day that inspired me. I'll try to find it and post a link here:

      Is Your Food Aging You?
      Wisdom begins in the recognition of how little we know.

      (teaching of Socrates)

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      • I drink very little now too. Usually because I'm the designated driver, but also because I can't stand that hangover feeling. I probably have a glass of wine at Xmas or other special occasions and perhaps half a beer if it's really stinking hot out, but that's it for me.
        Newcomers: If you haven't read the book, at least read this thread ... and all the links!
        http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread17722.html

        F/49/5'4"
        Jan. 1, 2011: 186.6 lbs PBSW Mar. 1, 2011: 175.8 lbs
        CW: 146.8 lbs
        GW 140 lbs
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        • Yeah, me too. I find I just do't have the tolerance for it that I used to. I'm not sure how much of that is going Primal, how much is menopause, and how much is just generally getting older.

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          • I seem to be ok with a glass of wine now and then but when I had a cocktail a couple of weeks ago I had a terrible time sleeping and felt awful the next day. It felt like I had been drinking all night or something. yuk. I will stick with the occasional glass of wine.

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            • Originally posted by Classic View Post
              I seem to be ok with a glass of wine now and then but when I had a cocktail a couple of weeks ago I had a terrible time sleeping and felt awful the next day. It felt like I had been drinking all night or something. yuk. I will stick with the occasional glass of wine.
              Same. I had a big martini last night and zowie, awake at 2:30am. I slipped on a puddle in the Produce Section yesterday so decided a drink would be good before din. Nope. But, must say that I slipped like a ballerina quite gracefully.

              I remember in my martini or G & T days I'd awaken a lot. Well, those days have been over since Mother's Day. Occas wine here too.
              Wisdom begins in the recognition of how little we know.

              (teaching of Socrates)

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              • Well, I am 54 having all the terrible symptoms of menopause, yet still having periods. I am on a low dose estradiol patch so I can get some semblance of sleep - otherwise I am awakened every 90 minutes with a scorching hot flash. On this dose I still have about one hot flash a night, but it is tolerable. I am getting more lower pelvic cramps - both during a period and when not menstruating - than I ever did in my younger days. Last month I had 14 days straight of severe cramping. OUCH! I get bad headaches when my hormone levels go up or down or both. And I am just so much more fatigued than I was 2 years ago. I guess I am struggling with just not feeling very good a lot of the time.

                I have been primal for 1.5 years now, and happily so. I am comfortable eating pretty low carb and can easily go 6-7 hours between meals without much hunger. I have recently been following a few of the leptin sensitivity rules - eating just 3 meals a day and no eating after dinner, dinner 3 hrs before bed (except on the 3 days a week that I work, when I have to eat dinner at 8:00 pm). I have no need to lose weight at 5'5" and 118 lbs.

                My problems are that I am just not sleeping very well - often waking at 3:30 or 4:00 and not really getting back to sleep - and then just feeling pretty fatigued much of the time. I have stopped working out with weights due to fatigue and my exercise consists of walking and some biking. I have experimented with eating more carbs at dinner to see if it helps my sleep, but it doesn't really seem to make a difference.

                I feel like I should be feeling better than I do because I am eating so much better than I used to - no processed food! grass-fed beef! raw milk! pastured eggs! Organic vegetables! But just a couple years ago when I was eating lots of bread and cereal and candy in the afternoon when my energy flagged a bit I had so much more energy than I do now. I guess I just need to whine. And the truth is, I would be feeling even worse if I was still eating that way. I have no desire to go back to the SAD.

                Has any one gone through menopause and felt like crap but then regained their energy on the other side of it? I need some encouragement. Thanks for listening!

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                • Barb, I'm 54 too. And still having periods. I've been on oral estradiol for several years,when tests revealed undetectable levels. I'm also on prometrium as taking estradiol unopposed can cause uterine lining buildup and possibly cancer. I hate the prometruim and only take it every 3-4 months for 10-12 days.

                  If you're not supplementing progesterone you might want an ultrasound to check uterine lining. It might explain the cramping.

                  Daytime hot flashes have never been a real problem for me. I've only had a handful. Night sweats and insomnia are another story. HRT has helped but I still go through times when I wake up soaked and cant get back to sleep. At one point insomnia was so bad I was on prescription sleeping pills.

                  I am also hypothyroid and know it can cause fatigue and sleep issues, as can low ferritin. If you haven't had these things tested I suggest ruling them out.

                  For thyroid tests make sure to get a full panel-- TSH, Free T4, Free T3 and antibodies. Make sure the tests are for frees not total as estrogen supplementation interferes with thyroid hormone so testing total T4 & T3 wont give a clear/accurate picture.

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                  • I started menopause when I was 57. I'd been using natural progesterone for years and had begun natural estrogen (tri-est, but I now use bi-est) for several years. I never got hot flashes. I see you are in Seattle. Do you know of Jonathan V Wright, MD who was the first to prescribe natural estrogen? He is at the Tahoma Clinic. I have been a follower of his since I attended a class of his in LA. A very bright man. He wrote a short book on natural hormone replacement.
                    Wisdom begins in the recognition of how little we know.

                    (teaching of Socrates)

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                    • BTW I had terrible PMS and cramps before I started the progesterone and tri-est... The natural progesterone is available OTC but u need an Rx for the tri-est from a physician experienced in alternative medicine.
                      Wisdom begins in the recognition of how little we know.

                      (teaching of Socrates)

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                      • Thanks for suggestions! I was rx'd prometrium bioidentical progesterone - but told only to take it if no real period for 3 months. I bleed heavy and have bad cramps the first day of my periods, so haven't been taking it. I don't think I have uterine lining build up at this point. I have never heard of Jonathan Wright - sounds like a book I'd like read.

                        The other avenue I am thinking I might look into if things don't improve is the possibility of adrenal fatigue. I have a stressful job (RN) with lots of sudden bursts of stress, as in "this patient's condition is suddenly worsening - call the doctor! Do something! NOW!" or just 3 out of 4 patients suddenly needing my attention for pain/nausea/bleeding or whatever NOW - all at the same time. At the end of 12 hours I have gone through several cycles of adrenaline release. I am hoping following some of the leptin sensitivity rules will help and I am taking ashwaghanda root as well. But I may need to do a cortisol salivary test to really see what's going on.

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                        • barb,
                          The thing about the progesterone as I recall is that it's best taken transdermally in a cream form for better absorption. And also you can carefully control the dose according to symptoms. Then u cnuse the least amount needed. I use an oil type that's economical and easily available in Sequim. It comes with a good instruction sheet.
                          Wisdom begins in the recognition of how little we know.

                          (teaching of Socrates)

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                          • Barb,

                            You need to find a doc who specializes in bio-identical hormones. I felt terrible on premarin, and not that great on bi-est patches. Bio-identical progesterone is the only way to go (it now appears that the progestin they use in many big-pharma drugs may be causing problems.)

                            Google bio-identical hormones for your area. You may end up with a nurse practicioner, a DO or even a naturopath. There are usually a few good people in every large city. Also look up John Lee MD -- his book is excellent.

                            For a while, I was waking up every 30 minutes or so and had actually convinced myself that was normal for me! I must admit, I'm through menopause -- I'm 60 now and have been on bio-identicals for several years. Would not be without them. You will need a prescription for strong enough hormones (I use creams of biest, testosterone and progesterone.) The OTC progesterone is way too weak for daily use. I now sleep 7-9 hours every night. I might wake up to pee, but go right back to sleep, so there is hope for you, though if you are still having periods it may take some time to get everything evened out and for you to finally reach menopause!
                            Life is an ongoing Experiment of One, so here's to science!

                            My Primal Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread37576.html

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                            • Just to say hello. I've been using progesterone cream for about 15+ years and Bi-est compounded at Women's International Pharmacy mail order. I didn't need an RX for the prog in Washington state, but did ask my nurse practioner for the Bi-est after researching it. Jonathan V Wright, in WA, was the first to prescribe bio-identical estrogen. He has written a book on Natural HRT. The Lee book is excellent also.
                              Wisdom begins in the recognition of how little we know.

                              (teaching of Socrates)

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                              • Hi everyone. I haven't read the whole thread yet... but I borrowed and read the Lee book. It was a good.

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