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  • Hey, PB, thanks! As I've finished up some semi-PB stuff like dairy products and nut butters, I'm considering not replacing them, but continuing to get every more primal with mostly proteins, fats, & low carb vegies. After I read the other thread on calorie restriction, I wasn't scared of it. And I'm also into mindfulness, so the way you phrased it was just what I needed to hear.

    I'm just staying the course. I feel good, and my mind is CLEAR. E.g., yesterday DH opened the cleaning closet & noticed that I had meticulously organized all our cleaning cloths/rags/towels/etc. I told him when I eat well, as I've been doing, I get really productive & organized. (He's still not ready to give up his Cheerios habit, tho.)

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    • It's amazing how many adults eat cereal on a regular basis. Cereal really is the devil.

      Jane can you come and organize my house next?
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      • I used to be addicted to Rice Krispies.
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        • Originally posted by me jane View Post
          Hey, PB, thanks! As I've finished up some semi-PB stuff like dairy products and nut butters, I'm considering not replacing them, but continuing to get every more primal with mostly proteins, fats, & low carb vegies. After I read the other thread on calorie restriction, I wasn't scared of it. And I'm also into mindfulness, so the way you phrased it was just what I needed to hear.

          I'm just staying the course. I feel good, and my mind is CLEAR. E.g., yesterday DH opened the cleaning closet & noticed that I had meticulously organized all our cleaning cloths/rags/towels/etc. I told him when I eat well, as I've been doing, I get really productive & organized. (He's still not ready to give up his Cheerios habit, tho.)
          Clarity is a good thing. I think once you start counting some macros for a week or two you will see that the nut butters and the dairy just kind of naturally fall away. You don't get much bang for your buck in terms of the protein/calories tradeoff with those foods.

          And yes, cereal is evil. I know a middle aged man who eats cereal for dinner because he can't be bothered to cook.

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          • Originally posted by belinda View Post
            I used to be addicted to Rice Krispies.
            I never kept cereal in the house, I knew I could easily over-do it. I let my children have cereal only in the summer, happily neither of them wanted cereal as they got older or now. Cereal is one of those especially insidious foods that people have seen as far better than it is. There was a study done in the early 80s in which one group of rats was fed Frosted Flakes, and the other group ate the ground up box from the FF. The box eaters where healthier at the end of the trial.
            This time, like all times, is a very good one, if we but know what to do with it. Ralph Waldo Emerson

            Any given day you are surrounded by 10,000 idiots.
            Lao Tsu, founder of Taoism

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            • I used to eat a bowl of Kashi with non-fat milk along with a big glass of OJ for breakfast and thought I was being so healthy.

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              • Oh, believe me, I have eaten my share of cold cereals, so I totally sympathize with DH's inability to eat one serving and stop. I'm the same way. But that is in part why I prefer to just not start eating it at all. Over the years I've gotten quite good at passing things by in the supermarket--much easier than controlling myself around them once they're in my house. I just keep trying to encourage DH to believe this.

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                • Gina, which room shall we start in?

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                  • Originally posted by HillsideGina View Post
                    Jane can you come and organize my house next?
                    Oh my. I read 'Jane can you....' as 'Jesus can you...' I've asked for a lot of things, but never thought to ask Jesus to come clean my house. It's an option though!

                    Well, hello ladies. May I join this group? I am 57, diabetic, recent former low fat vegan, getting used to eating meat again. I really thought that being vegan would help my diabetes (see Mark's article 'My Escape from Vegan Island' for what I was into with McDougall), but it just never worked for me. Over 3 years I've only lost 20 lbs, my blood sugars are not where they should be and I need to do something.

                    Maybe 10 yrs ago I tried Atkins and got so depressed over what I couldn't eat, I couldn't stick to it. I don't know if I was a carb addict, but the idea of no rice or crackers just threw me for a loop and I already felt 'punished' for being diabetic and having to take meds, etc. Since that time, I've come to a better understanding of carbs and diabetes control and have decided to take back my health before it's too late. Diabetes runs on both sides of my family and a few have died from its complications. So far, my health is good, but I know the sugar in the blood stream is doing insidious damage and I have to put an end to it. I'd also like to free myself from the expense of diabetes care and frequent doctor visits (and I have good insurance).

                    So, I started back on the new Atkins program for vegetarians and vegans, but when I learned about Primal eating, I could see immediately that the Atkins option was giving me too many grain-based carbs and I might still have a problem with blood sugar control. Now I'm eating meat again, trying to understand this whole Primal thing, reading the boards here and on other Primal/Paleo sites and looking at recipes. I love to cook and became quite the vegan cook/baker. I realized I needed to cut out the vegan sweets : ( , but it still wasn't enough to get my diabetes in control. I know low carb works for most diabetics and I'm here to give it another try. I'd also like to be slimmer before I hit 60. I'm tired of being the plump, but really cute, person in the room.

                    Nice to meet all of you.

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                    • Welcome aboard Dellastreet! I hope you find a way to kick the diabetes - many primal diabetic folks have posted on this site about getting off meds, great improvements in blood sugars, etc. Take a look around - there are some great success stories.

                      I am not diabetic, but have found that I almost never miss the carb laden foods that I thought I would feel deprived without. The key has been getting plenty of fat in my diet, particularly animal fat (butter, cream, fatty meats, chicken skin). Bread, cereal, pasta - none of that tempts me. My taste buds have changed too, I am much more sensitive to sweet and a small amount of sweetness satisfies. I find most sweet "treats" (cakes, cookies, etc) are just WAY too sweet for my taste now. I have been eating primal for a year and a half and find it incredibly satisfying. I don't feel deprived or like I am on a some kind of "diet". It is just the kind of food I prefer to eat now. It seems very normal to me. What seems ABNORMAL is all the processed, packaged, sweetened, industrial junk that passes for food nowadays (even all the organic, processed, packaged, industrial, vegan food at my food coop!).

                      I tried it for the health benefits and I stayed because I love the food I get to eat.....keep us posted as to how you are adjusting.

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                      • Originally posted by Dellastreet View Post
                        Oh my. I read 'Jane can you....' as 'Jesus can you...' I've asked for a lot of things, but never thought to ask Jesus to come clean my house. It's an option though!

                        Well, hello ladies. May I join this group? I am 57, diabetic, recent former low fat vegan, getting used to eating meat again. I really thought that being vegan would help my diabetes (see Mark's article 'My Escape from Vegan Island' for what I was into with McDougall), but it just never worked for me. Over 3 years I've only lost 20 lbs, my blood sugars are not where they should be and I need to do something.

                        Maybe 10 yrs ago I tried Atkins and got so depressed over what I couldn't eat, I couldn't stick to it. I don't know if I was a carb addict, but the idea of no rice or crackers just threw me for a loop and I already felt 'punished' for being diabetic and having to take meds, etc. Since that time, I've come to a better understanding of carbs and diabetes control and have decided to take back my health before it's too late. Diabetes runs on both sides of my family and a few have died from its complications. So far, my health is good, but I know the sugar in the blood stream is doing insidious damage and I have to put an end to it. I'd also like to free myself from the expense of diabetes care and frequent doctor visits (and I have good insurance).

                        So, I started back on the new Atkins program for vegetarians and vegans, but when I learned about Primal eating, I could see immediately that the Atkins option was giving me too many grain-based carbs and I might still have a problem with blood sugar control. Now I'm eating meat again, trying to understand this whole Primal thing, reading the boards here and on other Primal/Paleo sites and looking at recipes. I love to cook and became quite the vegan cook/baker. I realized I needed to cut out the vegan sweets : ( , but it still wasn't enough to get my diabetes in control. I know low carb works for most diabetics and I'm here to give it another try. I'd also like to be slimmer before I hit 60. I'm tired of being the plump, but really cute, person in the room.

                        Nice to meet all of you.
                        Welcome. I didn't start being happy with my eating until I eliminated all sugar, artificial sweets, and the higher carb fruits and veg. I had to get over the belief I would be deprived. The only thing I'm deprived of is cravings, and feeling miserable.
                        This time, like all times, is a very good one, if we but know what to do with it. Ralph Waldo Emerson

                        Any given day you are surrounded by 10,000 idiots.
                        Lao Tsu, founder of Taoism

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                        • Jane, my CPA gave me the name of a professional organizer, so I'm set for now. I need her to set up a filing system for my home office and file everything away for me. Ugh. I have my work stuff all perfect, but I can't get motivated to do the home office.

                          Welcome Della. My husband and I did Atkins for many years before going Paleo, so the adjustment was not too rough for us. It is hard to get off breads - some friends who tried Atkins just could not do it.

                          Take it one day at a time, and my best advice is just don't buy that stuff - don't have it in the house. Those of you who live with others who are not on board Paleo are going to have a harder time because you still have grain-based foods, sodas, etc. in the home. I feel bad for you.
                          Positively Radical Pigeonholes are for Pigeons!

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                          • Welcome, Dellastreet! I so know what you mean about feeling deprived when following Atkins! It made me so mad for him to tell me not to eat fruits and grains!! But that has been many years ago and I have learned so much in that time.

                            You questioned being a carb addict; I found out that I AM a carb addict. I felt it to some extent when I started Atkins but it has only been this past year when i TRULY went "low carb" that I was shown just how addicted to carbs I AM.

                            I thought I was weak; that was the reason I kept falling back in to the carb bowl. Perhaps there IS some emotional ties (I read an article recently about "Overeaters Anonymous") but I now believe that most of our cravings for those carbs are caused by Candida, which are sweet organisms within everyone's bodies until they are riled up. Then they begin to multiply (their original intent is to break the body down after death!) and cause us all sorts of problems. Check out an extensive list of symptoms here: <http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/cabout3.php>

                            So now I have made an informed choice to give up: grains, sugar, starches, fruit, dairy and nuts to allow my body to heal from this "yeast overgrowth".

                            Like others here have shared, it takes some time to quiet those beasts within, but it does happen and when it is a choice YOU have made, it becomes easier...

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                            • Hi all -
                              Thanks for the comments and suggestions.

                              I am lucky that my grown son lives with me and after eating vegan at home these past few years, he is happy to have meat back on the menu! Plus, he wants to be more cut and is generally happy with our going primal (I do the cooking, so whatever kick I'm on, he ends up on it, at least for dinner), though I expect he will still want his rice and some spaghetti. One of our local stores has a fantastic meat department and we get local meats, some organic/grass fed and things like sausage and ground meat made right in the store, so I'm fortunate that way. I don't have to eat soy Frankenfoods any more.

                              I use Fitday, which I think will help me stay honest with myself about what I'm eating. It also seems to help me plan out my meals - I can tell from what I've had earlier in the day what I should have for dinner. I can put in my options and see how they stack up. I also got Robb Wolf's book, Mark's quick cook book as well as a family cook book by Sarah Fragoso, PB, and Gary Taubes' two books. Kindle for iPad is a wonderful thing! I'm the kind of person who jumps in and does a lot of research, so the more I can read, the more sites I can visit, the better I feel about what I'm doing.

                              Still, a lot of my identity was tied up in being vegan. There's a whole community there, people I really like and causes I have supported for years. I expect to continue supporting the animal welfare causes, but the identity thing will be hard to shake. I don't think I'm up to eating meat in public just yet. I'm in a small town and see the same people frequently. I really don't feel like having a big discussion (pro or con) over what I'm eating while I'm at a restaurant or eating with co-workers.

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                              • Originally posted by Dellastreet View Post
                                Still, a lot of my identity was tied up in being vegan. There's a whole community there, people I really like and causes I have supported for years. I expect to continue supporting the animal welfare causes, but the identity thing will be hard to shake.
                                I have a dear neighbor who was vegetarian for about 35 years; a true hippy! She was so certain she was eating the right/best way. Then she started having teeth issues then found a tumor. It was then she "met" Weston A Price (Foundation) and started eating meat. She is so cute. Now she grows chickens (for eggs) and goats and gave half her garden over to the animals... So know there is hope. She feels as you do about animal welfare, etc.

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