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    Where does it fit into Primal for you? Does it?
    (I know there was a thread about this, but it pretty quickly devolved).

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    I went through HELL to quit smoking cigarettes, and there is NO WAY I'm going to get addicted to smoking anything else.

    Marijuana does not fit into the Primal Blueprint at all.

    Grizz

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Grizz View Post
      I went through HELL to quit smoking cigarettes, and there is NO WAY I'm going to get addicted to smoking anything else.
      LOL, comparing Marijuana to Nicotine. You admit that you never smoke pot, but you don't need to, it is completely obvious from your remarks.

      Originally posted by Grizz View Post
      Marijuana does not fit into the Primal Blueprint at all.
      Marijuana is a Medicinal Herb and it sits atop the primal food pyramid (use sparingly.) It is no more or less primal than thyme, lavender, parsley, basil and rosemary.

      Oh, and by the way Grizz, you don't have to smoke it. You are meant to eat it just like you do all other herbs.

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      • #4
        Another thread on this?
        I'll have a couple of cigars a year. I haven't smoked pot but it doesn't bother me - I don't mind when others do.
        If you consider it primal, hooray. You're not going to convince anyone here who doesn't jive on it.

        Yes it should be decriminalized and hemp is a fantastic fiber.
        carl's cave

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        • #5
          I used to smoke it a lot but it started making me paranoid and depressed. Not sure if that was because I started using other harder drugs around the same time, but it started to make me feel mentally ill.

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          • #6
            I have smoked pot twice (years ago) and neither time was enjoyable. I am not against it, but it doesn't work for me.

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            • #7
              Carl: Yeah, I was just curious to see what other people thought. The other thread got ugly, fast.
              Grok, chill.
              Grizz, I've never seen nor heard of anyone getting physically addicted. Emotionally, it happens occasionally.

              I only ask because, in the past few weeks, I've experimented, for the first few times. And it seems to me that 'Grok' probably participated, in some cultures, in psychoactive drug use. I'm curious, are there any books/resources on drug use in humans, dealing with the history and evolutionary aspect?

              Why do you say it doesn't fit, Grizz?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by StoneAgeQueen View Post
                I used to smoke it a lot but it started making me paranoid and depressed. Not sure if that was because I started using other harder drugs around the same time, but it started to make me feel mentally ill.
                I've never done any other drug besides marijuana (which I hate to call a drug, do people consider mushrooms to be drugs? that's also silly) never touched mushrooms, cocaine, opiates, acid, X, nothing nothing nothing at all besides marijuana. I would attribute your feelings to the other drugs only somewhat as I did experience some depression and stuff as a result of smoking weed. The depression was because I was putting other things first I guess, and also because I was eating things I wouldn't normally eat.

                Anyway, NOBODY can make an argument for or against whether it "fits" into the Primal Blueprint except it's author, and I really doubt Sisson would go anywhere near that debate (perhaps for fear of losing customers, and I'm not trying to make Mark out to be nothing but a salesman, but at the end of the day he's making a living through this, which I have no problem with at all since his advice is top-notch)

                Does it fit into MY life? I believe it does if I watch myself. Everybody's different. Everyone will react to things differently. We cannot go on making blanket statements as to whether things should or should not be allowed, permitted or accepted into OTHER people's lifestyles, we can only do that for ourselves, and perhaps our children or something like that.

                I've not smoked in a while, but I do think I will resume once I'm done with whole30 but not to escape or anything like that, and I will make some guidelines for myself much like I do with food (think of it as an 80/20 thing... or a 4/20 thing? hah, sorry) and I'll make sure to evaluate how I'm doing and if I start showing signs of relapsing into chronic use then I'll take another break. My plan is to not go back to daily smoking, but keep it at a twice a week thing, and only if I don't have to sacrifice social outings, family time, girlfriend time, etc in order to smoke. I basically will never place it in front of anybody or anything else ever again. Saying I'll "try" not to is bullshit because it allows me to do whatever I want. Saying I flat out won't is better for me.

                I don't think this thread can end well when people have such wild opinions about it. It's really just a personal thing, a personal choice. Whether it fits into being primal or not I think is completely irrelevant.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jasonph View Post
                  Carl: Yeah, I was just curious to see what other people thought. The other thread got ugly, fast.
                  Grok, chill.
                  Grizz, I've never seen nor heard of anyone getting physically addicted. Emotionally, it happens occasionally.

                  I only ask because, in the past few weeks, I've experimented, for the first few times. And it seems to me that 'Grok' probably participated, in some cultures, in psychoactive drug use. I'm curious, are there any books/resources on drug use in humans, dealing with the history and evolutionary aspect?

                  Why do you say it doesn't fit, Grizz?
                  You may have seen this, but in case you haven't :



                  Look how far back medicinal usage dates. I actually wouldn't make the argument that weed is medicine, it never really was from me because I've never been sick (it only would have been medicine if I had no appetite! it definitely "cures" that) but it is beneficial to others as medicine, however, I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone that used marijuana as medicine that was NOT a fan of getting high as a thing on it's own.
                  Last edited by iniQuity; 12-03-2010, 03:37 PM.
                  I used to seriously post here, now I prefer to troll.

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                  • #10
                    this is part two

                    I used to seriously post here, now I prefer to troll.

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                    • #11
                      I'm about to start watching this one too, can't comment on it yet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H33P_Jzjvbk
                      I used to seriously post here, now I prefer to troll.

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                      • #12
                        This argument can go on forever but I would like to share my 2c. I am planning to write a long post on this blog but here is a quick summary.

                        To me the question whether drugs (the definition being a substance which changes normal bodily function) are primal/paleo is really irrelevant. You can go back and forth with the arguments and end up no-where fast. To me what is interesting is addiction. Now by addiction I mean taking something enough that it physically makes the brain dependant on the altered chemical neural homeostatic circuitry, i.e your brain gets used to this state as being the normal state and you have withdrawal when you quit. This in my opinion is definitely not paleo. This is very analogous to carbohydrates and carb flu. Our body gets used to all this excess carbs, and when we remove it, our body goes into withdrawal.

                        So end of the day, if you want to take it (and you as an individual have every right too) you should, but treat it as what it is, a drug. Just let your body get used to it (like carbs).

                        Extra Stuff:
                        Taking it from an evolutionary perspective i can probably see it as a negative. In the past, when our emotions were actually tools of survival (fear of things that would bring us harm thus lower our chances of reproduction, love of things that would bring us benefit etc.) rather than like these days when our emotions are mostly superfluous, drugs could have been used to blunt those negative emotions. Blunting these emotions may allow us to fall unprepared for greater problems in the future that otherwise may have been solved if we just dealt with the original emotion.
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                        • #13
                          I do it. It became a lot less enjoyable when I started the whole 30 (stopped drinking)

                          Primal? Maybe. A portion of 20%. Probably.

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                          • #14
                            It smells yucky when smoked.
                            You lousy kids! Get off my savannah!

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                            • #15
                              Never got involved in any drug except for one I will address later.

                              I saw dead junkies in the street, minus shoes and belts and anything else that someone thought might be useful, on walks to high school. I avoided drugs like they were the plague.

                              After Vietnam I did start drinking but after a handful of bad years I got over that. Too many of my friends back then were into pot, so I guess I was a 'second hand' user.

                              That is my story.

                              Now, about the history of humans and drugs. I can't think of a single culture that has not had some ritual with altering mind states and forcing visions, etc. It seems to go way back. I mean Way Back.

                              So, is drug use primal? In my opinion, the only answer is yes and no. Which one depends on your preferred meaning of 'primal'. No, because it isn't necessary for the survival of the species. Yes, because it seems to be an old, old thing for every group in the history of our species.
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