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    This may take a while, but please bear with me! My now 12-year- old is an extremely picky eater with a very limited diet (Pizza, mac & cheese, grilled cheese, pancakes, waffles, and chips - but only salt and vinegar). When he was 2 1/2, he was hospitalized with rotovirus. Up to that point, he ate everything; he wasn't the least bit picky. After being sick, things gradually dropped out of his diet. He would (and still does) have a panic attack if you put a food in front of him that he doesn't like or doesn't recognize. These days we sometimes have to force him to eat something - anything. I now suspect a food allergy. I'm not sure how to take away the only foods that he will eat. I recently started him on probiotics. Is there anything else (supplement-wise) that I should be giving him? I'm hoping that, once we fix the gut, he will begin to eat other foods (I have heard that this happens, and it's the only thing that gives me hope, so if it's not true, don't tell me!)

    I know that without removing the offending foods (at least for a while) that we won't be able to completely fix it. Is it possible to even make progress in that direction just by supplementing?

    I appreciate any help you all may have!

  • #2
    He will eat when he gets hungry enough. Remove the crap, and replace it, period.

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    • #3
      Actually, he won't. There are kids/people out there that will literally starve themselves. The way it was recently explained to me, the pain that they feel from being hungry is preferable to that which they experience with the food. I don't know. He's been know to go 2 days without eating anything. I'm just not really comfortable with that.

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      • #4
        You could try giving him glutamine in water (very mild taste). It helps feed and heal the intestines, and also is good for avoiding sugar cravings.

        One can know that his trouble is probably gluten ... but also maybe oxalates. Turning this suspicion into effective action might be harder. By the way, Yahoo has a low oxalate group which is very smart about such things. Lots of children with celiac problems, oxalate problems, sometimes making autism worse. They have some very good discussions about which foods or supplements may be harming their children, and what to do about it. They might be better able to reply to your questions than the people here.

        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Trying_Low_Oxalates/

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        • #5
          A twelve year old is capable of understanding that the foods he is eating are making him sick. Leaky gut will not be fixed unless the offending toxin is removed. Get him therapy if need be. The grains must go.

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          • #6
            I understand what others are saying, but you might have to start slow. There is a gluten-free bread called Udi's that tastes pretty darn good. The same company makes a decent pizza crust. In the past, gluten-free breads were awful; these aren't bad. They're not ideal, as they are still grains, but they're not gluten. One thing to note is that although Udi's bread is the closest to gluten-containing breads I've ever tried, they are not nearly as "heavy" or filling to me. I could eat a grilled cheese on one and not feel sick...same calories, probably higher glycemic response because gluten-free foods are usually higher glycemic, but I didn't feel ill.

            Yes, he probably realizes these foods are making him sick. I realized for a long time that gluten was making me ill, but I kept eating it. There's an addicitive nature to these foods.

            I guess I see this as how difficult it will be for him. If you really think he'll starve himself, I'd do the following: 1) eliminate the gluten by using substitutes, 2) eliminate sugar, 3) eliminate the other grains including the substitutes (except maybe rice occasionally), and 4) eliminate dairy if necessary. This is actually what I've done and I'm 31! I couldn't just give it up all at once; it's psychological for some people. And I'm not weak-willed, as I suspect he isn't either. I am working on #3 as I still have rice occasionally.

            Will he eat soup/broth? If so, try to make some homemade as it's very healing.

            Good luck to you. I know this might be hard. From what I understand, wheat and dairy both contain proteins that can feel addictive to people with leaky gut.

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            • #7
              I also notice that most of his favorite foods are a combo of wheat and dairy -- big signs of food issues.

              If you need a sub for the mac & cheese, Annie's makes a decent rice mac & cheese (I think it's the same as Trader Joe's sells under their private label) -- just don't overcook it. Again, not ideal because it's grain, but by getting rid of gluten, you will make major progress. At least that's how I see it.

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              • #8
                And no, supplementing alone is not going to cut it. Sorry.

                You could give him special digestive enzymes to minimize gluten issues, but that doesn't fix it. It looks like he is constantly feeding a reaction inside his body that wants gluten-dairy-gluten-dairy-gluten-dairy. Trying supplementation only is like trying to put band-aids all over a burn victim. It just doesn't work.

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                • #9
                  With certainty, he is zinc deficient. Don't be alarmed by the term anorexia. The medical symptom of 'anorexia' can be Anorexia Nervosa, but someone can have 'anorexia' without having Anorexia Nervosa:
                  http://www.google.com/search?q=zinc+...ient=firefox-a

                  I've seen several friends kids go through this when I participated heavily in food allergy forums (my little one had severe food allergies). It's very very tricky but is treatable.....the gut will fix itself when you get nutrition on track. One of my friends with a similar child - huge freakouts with unfamiliar foods, refusal to eat anything knew and refusal to eat pretty much anything aside from gluten, dairy and potatoes - did finally go 'tough love'. He didn't eat, iirc for 3 or four days. I could email her and ask if you want. But eventually he did eat. Having said that, he did have a long period of supplementation under his belt by the time she 'went' there. He was getting optimal levels of zinc, b vites, D, Ω3:Ω6 etc.....she wouldn't have done it before getting to that point.

                  Consider dealing with the anxiety, ridigity along with the sensory and food issues. It'll take a multipronged approach.

                  Here are some resouces:
                  Animal Pharm: Wheat: Would You Give Your Kids Crack? - drbganimalpharm.blogspot.com
                  Gluten: It's bad news | Hunt.Gather.Love. - huntgatherlove.com - edit - delete

                  and just about everything at the following two blogs:



                  1. Perfect Health Diet Ľ High-Carb Diets Can Be Tough on Bacteria, Too - perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=611
                  2. Magnesium and the Brain; Evolutionary Psychiatry - evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.com/.../...

                  See my linked docs below for more information on nutritional support and mental health. Calming his brain with plenty of magnesium and inositol will only be helpful.

                  Google pyroluria - and it's relationship to anxiety, zinc, B6. (I think I have an article on it in my links). It's controversial but I found it helpful to treat it

                  Fix his intake of Ω3:Ω6 and phospholipds - even if you have to do it via supplementation at first.

                  Optimize his vitamin D intake - thereby optimizing his 25(OH)D serum level.

                  Chances are that he'll eat rice and potatoes? That would at least get him off the opioid peptides of gluten and dairy.

                  Best,
                  Katherine



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                  • #10
                    Katherine has such excellent advice.

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                    • #11
                      You are too kind. But thank you, I appreciate it. Your info was wonderfully helpful.


                      K



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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by cillakat View Post
                        With certainty, he is zinc deficient. Don't be alarmed by the term anorexia. The medical symptom of 'anorexia' can be Anorexia Nervosa, but someone can have 'anorexia' without having Anorexia Nervosa:
                        http://www.google.com/search?q=zinc+...ient=firefox-a

                        I've seen several friends kids go through this when I participated heavily in food allergy forums (my little one had severe food allergies). It's very very tricky but is treatable.....the gut will fix itself when you get nutrition on track. One of my friends with a similar child - huge freakouts with unfamiliar foods, refusal to eat anything knew and refusal to eat pretty much anything aside from gluten, dairy and potatoes - did finally go 'tough love'. He didn't eat, iirc for 3 or four days. I could email her and ask if you want. But eventually he did eat. Having said that, he did have a long period of supplementation under his belt by the time she 'went' there. He was getting optimal levels of zinc, b vites, D, Ω3:Ω6 etc.....she wouldn't have done it before getting to that point.

                        Consider dealing with the anxiety, ridigity along with the sensory and food issues. It'll take a multipronged approach.

                        Here are some resouces:
                        Animal Pharm: Wheat: Would You Give Your Kids Crack? - drbganimalpharm.blogspot.com
                        Gluten: It's bad news | Hunt.Gather.Love. - huntgatherlove.com - edit - delete

                        and just about everything at the following two blogs:



                        1. Perfect Health Diet Ľ High-Carb Diets Can Be Tough on Bacteria, Too - perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=611
                        2. Magnesium and the Brain; Evolutionary Psychiatry - evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.com/.../...

                        See my linked docs below for more information on nutritional support and mental health. Calming his brain with plenty of magnesium and inositol will only be helpful.

                        Google pyroluria - and it's relationship to anxiety, zinc, B6. (I think I have an article on it in my links). It's controversial but I found it helpful to treat it

                        Fix his intake of Ω3:Ω6 and phospholipds - even if you have to do it via supplementation at first.

                        Optimize his vitamin D intake - thereby optimizing his 25(OH)D serum level.

                        Chances are that he'll eat rice and potatoes? That would at least get him off the opioid peptides of gluten and dairy.

                        Best,
                        Katherine
                        Thought I was the only person who understood that! My late grandmother was described as 'anorexic' in her medical notes (the elderly very often are at the end of their lives. My mum's late dad was anorexic all the time I knew him (he claimed it was from his years as a PoW) - as an old Northern English expression goes - there's 'more meat on a butcher's pencil'.)

                        'Anorexia' literally translates as 'without appetite' (it's Greek). I did Classics. And I'm Olympic Gold Medal Standard in Boringness.
                        La tristesse durera toujours...

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                        • #13
                          Thanks to all of you for all the great info, especially Katherine and Shannon. We had a talk tonight about what his body is missing. I gave him the option of eating the food required to get the nutrients, or he could take supplements. He chose supplements (without an argument!). He has never tried to swallow a pill. He has a strong gag reflex, so he's afraid to try. Again, I gave him an option: swallow the pills, or we'll crush them and put them in a milkshake. He has until tomorrow to decide. He has been taking the probiotic by sprinkling it on a little ice cream; tonight he added zinc.

                          He says he's not hungry tonight. Do I let him not eat for a day (and start detoxing), or do I make him eat something - anything - until we have the other stuff under control?

                          I really appreciate the support! It's tough when it's your child.

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                          • #14
                            I really enjoy the yahoo group unschooling nutrition for ideas on how to make great, yummy subs for some traditional favorite kids' foods, along w/ ideas on how to add nutrient dense foods to kids' diets. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...lingNutrition/

                            I agree that both Shannon and Kat have excellent advice (I want to check out some of those links too!)

                            I think starting slow by making acceptable substitutions can be a very helpful way to begin this, esp. as your son is older. (We did a strict elimination diet w/ my son, but he was only 14 mos and still getting most of his nutrition from nursing--I think the change was harder on me than him back then!) Replacing wheat pasta with rice, gluten bread w/ non gluten bread (my dh loves Udi's), making almond flour cookies that he loves, etc... One step at a time could make this feel more doable for both of you. If you need any help/ideas on how to make his favorite foods without gluten, do ask here!!

                            Here are some links to blogs that have lots of yummy recipes that could be starting points for making gluten free substitutes. (Many have recipes that can be adapted to be totally primal.) The list is one compiled at the unschooling nutrition yahoo group, fyi! (There are links to specific recipes in the links section of that group that may be helpful to check out as well!)

                            Comfy Belly
                            YUMMY! Many SCD/GAPS friendly recipes
                            http://comfybelly.com/

                            Completely Nourished
                            Natural Food. Natural Health. Natural Living.
                            http://www.completelynourished.org/

                            Cooking Traditional Foods
                            Forum and Menu Mailer w/ TF focus, gluten and dairy free options available
                            http://www.tfrecipes.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=552
                            Elana's Pantry
                            Gluten free, almond flour based recipes (plus much more--YUMMY!)
                            http://www.elanaspantry.com/

                            Everything Free Eating
                            allergen free recipes w/ a focus on traditional foods
                            http://everythingfreeeating.blogspot.com/

                            GNOWFGLINS
                            Godís Natural, Organic, Whole Foods, Grown Locally, In Season.
                            http://gnowfglins.com

                            Healing Naturally By Bee
                            Awesome--huge focus on healing
                            http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/recipes/index.php
                            Healthy Cooking Coach
                            Gluten/dairy free recipes, mostly paleo, low sugar
                            http://www.thehealthycookingcoach.com/ yis4yoga

                            Healthy Indulgences
                            Low carb emphasis--lots of creative ideas for making classic desserts without the usual ingredients
                            http://healthyindulgences.blogspot.com/

                            Kathy's Recipe Box
                            Making Recipes Allergy Free and Tasty Too
                            http://www.kathysrecipebox.com/

                            Mark's Daily Apple Blog Recipes (Duh--but it's on the list and is great to look over!!)
                            Primal/Paleo emphasis
                            http://www.marksdailyapple.com/prima...print-recipes/

                            Nourishing Days
                            Yummy nutrient dense/TF recipes
                            http://www.nourishingdays.com

                            Nourishing Gourmet
                            Awesome, yummy, nutrient dense, TF recipes for the whole family
                            http://www.thenourishinggourmet.com/

                            Paleo Recipes
                            Paleolithic/Paleo/Primal/Caveman Diet Recipes/Cookbook
                            http://paleofood.com/

                            SCD Recipes
                            Specific Carbohydrate Diet Recipe Site
                            http://www.scdrecipe.com/recipes/

                            Spunky Coconut
                            Creative, allergen free recipes--many are grain free
                            http://www.thespunkycoconut.com/

                            Whole Life Nutrition Kitchen
                            Healthy, Wholesome Gluten Free Recipes
                            http://www.nourishingmeals.com


                            And don't forget about the importance of probiotics and digestive enzymes in helping heal the gut! Cillakat has links to some great brands in her google docs.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JenCat View Post
                              says he's not hungry tonight. Do I let him not eat for a day (and start detoxing), or do I make him eat something - anything - until we have the other stuff under control?

                              I really appreciate the support! It's tough when it's your child.
                              IMO, I'd let him eat anything (if he feels like it) until you've got gf subs in the house. (If it were me, doing this today with a 12 yo, I honestly might take it one day at a time, trying new gf recipes to see if he was ok with them, and then make the whole switch to totally gluten free living only after I had at least 2 weeks worth of meals and snack subs that he accepted/was ok with. I just think it would make for a MUCH easier transition. )

                              It takes a lot of planning to make these HUGE changes, and it also takes time. Even if you go cold turkey, no gluten, asap, I'd give yourself a few days to find brands that will most likely be enjoyed by him and stock the house w/ gluten free goods--whether homemade or storebought. Also, if you decide to cut it all at once, gluten is insidious, and you'll need to go through just about EVERYTHING in your pantry to make sure there is NONE anywhere. Many folks get new toasters and other appliances b/c the old ones are too contaminated with gluten to use...

                              It's a lot of transition, and I'd take it one day at a time. Luckily, if you make lots of primal meals (even serving rice and potatoes for fillers/starch) it won't be as big of a deal.

                              Good luck mama!!! (((HUGS)))
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