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    Well, i'm still not sleeping lately. I think I'm going on two months will little to no sleep each night. Not really sure what's going on. Avoiding coffee for the most part, eating right, exercising, drinking herbal tea at night, taking mg before bed, deep breathing etc..... nothing seems to be helping.

    Going to the doc in a couple of weeks to get my bp checked again, not sure if it's related. Stress has been reduced lately, that hasn't really affected things. I'm actually starting to have the shakes in my hands when I hold things, that's kind of alarming to me.

    Thoughts?

  • #2
    What time of day do you exercise?
    And when you say you're avoiding coffee for the most part, what does that mean in terms of how many cups of what per week?
    Liz.

    Zone diet on and off for several years....worked, but too much focus on exact meal composition
    Primal since July 2010...skinniest I've ever been and the least stressed about food

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    • #3
      My coffee consumption on a normal day is around 12-16 oz., I have perhaps 2 12 oz. cups per week, usually before noon.

      I weight lift in the morning and do mild cardio in the afternoon aroun 2-4 a couple days per week.

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      • #4
        Melatonin supps helped me a lot when I had temporary sleep problems..

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        • #5
          My husband suffered from insomnia, and was advised to cut out all caffeine completely. He seems to be really, really sensitive to it, so even a single 8oz cup in the morning will cause him problems that night (even in cases when he wasn't aware he'd drunk it...I've tested him a couple of times out of curiosity over whether it was a psychological thing).

          He was also advised to only do cardio in the mornings, and that also helped a bit.

          The single biggest fix, though, was a self-hypnosis recording. He rarely suffers any more, because if he realizes he's not getting to sleep easily, he just slips the ear pods in and listens to the track.
          Liz.

          Zone diet on and off for several years....worked, but too much focus on exact meal composition
          Primal since July 2010...skinniest I've ever been and the least stressed about food

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          • #6
            Originally posted by afsjesse View Post
            Well, i'm still not sleeping lately. I think I'm going on two months will little to no sleep each night. Not really sure what's going on. Avoiding coffee for the most part, eating right, exercising, drinking herbal tea at night, taking mg before bed, deep breathing etc..... nothing seems to be helping.

            Going to the doc in a couple of weeks to get my bp checked again, not sure if it's related. Stress has been reduced lately, that hasn't really affected things. I'm actually starting to have the shakes in my hands when I hold things, that's kind of alarming to me.

            Thoughts?
            Are you eating enough?

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            • #7
              Tried yoga? You might want to try a week of exercise deloading as well.

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              • #8
                Something you could try that worked for me when absolutely nothing else helped:

                Buy some wraparound amber-tinted sunglasses that block blue light and put them on when the sun goes down (or around 7:00ish if you live closer to the poles). Yes, they make you look goofy, but for me the effect is so powerful it's worth it. The theory is that when blue light (which in the natural world is absent after the sun sets) hits the eye, it prevents serotonin from turning into melatonin as it should in the evening. The darker orange the glasses are, the more powerful effect they have.

                Side note: I was also already using a bright blue/green light for half an hour in the morning to fight my depression. This early morning bright blue light might also help keep sleep/wake cycles stable, so you could consider doing both.

                Drinking the magnesium supplement Natural Calm an hour before bed also seems to make my sleep deeper and more restful.

                Good luck.
                Last edited by liss; 11-07-2010, 01:08 PM.

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                • #9
                  What are you doing in the final 1-2 hours before bedtime? If you're having trouble sleeping, it's important that you stay off the computer and TV prior to sleep. You're a student, right? Study for your economics class. zzzzzzzzzzz.....
                  "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -- Hippocrates

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                  • #10
                    :/ I feel for you. It did get pretty scary when I wasn't sleeping either - and it lasted for 8 weeks almost on the nose.

                    Have you tried a starchy carb refeed? That was either what finally got me sleeping....or it just happened to coincide with my body's decision to sleep again. Fwiw, I was able to go low carb again and only had one weird non-sleeping day. Sleep has been totally fine since then.

                    How much magnesium? Why just before bed? Chances are you need much more - throughout the day.

                    How many times per day are you eating? When is the last time you're eating before bed?

                    Let's work on getting some phospholipds in you.
                    1) Scubasam's alternative minded MD has her taking phosphatidylserine and it's been helpful - for a different issue, but since it's all adrenal related it seems like it could help - and it won't hurt (http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas...tgels/273?at=0)

                    2) bone marrow - can you manage it? if so, try to get a little in maybe every other day.

                    3) shell fish - especially in preparations that incorporate the shell like lobster or shrimp bisque

                    Inositol is very calming via a couple of different pathways including adrenal and could reduce cortisol output.

                    Have you talked to your doc? Some ambien might be in order if you're having trouble falling asleep. It didn't help me but I wasn't having trouble falling asleep....just staying asleep.

                    This is truly a top tier medical issue and worth seeing a hcp. In this sleep deprived state, it's as dangerous for you to be driving as it would be if you were absolutely wasted. In fact, in terms of driving capabilities, you *are* wasted. eek. Scary stuff.

                    Originally posted by afsjesse View Post
                    Going to the doc in a couple of weeks to get my bp checked again, not sure if it's related. Stress has been reduced lately, that hasn't really affected things. I'm actually starting to have the shakes in my hands when I hold things, that's kind of alarming to me.



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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jimpag View Post
                      Melatonin supps helped me a lot when I had temporary sleep problems..
                      This needs to carry a VERY heavy caveat: - I've taken melatonin in pill form before and it's made me VERY ill! I do not believe it should be taken unless under a doctor's supervision. I was only taking 10mg 30 minutes before bed, but I was awake 3 hours later and in the bathroom heaving my guts up!

                      Not only that, it left me feeling jetlagged and hungover (rather ironically). I gave it a month, but it only got worse.

                      Maybe I was just sensitive to it, but I wouldn't take it again...
                      La tristesse durera toujours...

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                      • #12
                        I have heard lots of bad things about Melatonin as a sleep aid. If you must use a sleep aid I think Valerian root is better but that is not going to fix whatever is causing you not to sleep. Can you sleep in the day time?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by cillakat View Post
                          :/ I feel for you. It did get pretty scary when I wasn't sleeping either - and it lasted for 8 weeks almost on the nose.

                          Have you tried a starchy carb refeed? That was either what finally got me sleeping....or it just happened to coincide with my body's decision to sleep again. Fwiw, I was able to go low carb again and only had one weird non-sleeping day. Sleep has been totally fine since then.

                          How much magnesium? Why just before bed? Chances are you need much more - throughout the day.

                          How many times per day are you eating? When is the last time you're eating before bed?

                          Let's work on getting some phospholipds in you.
                          1) Scubasam's alternative minded MD has her taking phosphatidylserine and it's been helpful - for a different issue, but since it's all adrenal related it seems like it could help - and it won't hurt (http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas...tgels/273?at=0)

                          2) bone marrow - can you manage it? if so, try to get a little in maybe every other day.

                          3) shell fish - especially in preparations that incorporate the shell like lobster or shrimp bisque

                          Inositol is very calming via a couple of different pathways including adrenal and could reduce cortisol output.

                          Have you talked to your doc? Some ambien might be in order if you're having trouble falling asleep. It didn't help me but I wasn't having trouble falling asleep....just staying asleep.

                          This is truly a top tier medical issue and worth seeing a hcp. In this sleep deprived state, it's as dangerous for you to be driving as it would be if you were absolutely wasted. In fact, in terms of driving capabilities, you *are* wasted. eek. Scary stuff.
                          Katherine - I'm surprised at you, and more than a little shocked! That you, of all people, would even venture to suggest that ANYONE take benzos! Do you know how EVIL that stuff is...?! Have you any idea how addictive (and how short a time it takes to BECOME addicted?) I've taken zopiclone in the past and it's totally destroyed my life (the effects were similar to those I've just described for melatonin.)

                          Call me cynical if you like, but I'm fully convinced that docs only prescribe these things for one (or both) of 2 reasons: -

                          1) They're cheap (zopiclone is just 1.50 for 28 3.75mg tabs)

                          or/and

                          2) They're in the pay of the drug companies

                          The problem with this is the aftermath. Coincidentally, this article http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...o-2127504.html was published in my paper today. I am campaigning to have these drugs banned. They almost killed me - and many other to whom they've been prescribed - i would say indiscriminately.
                          La tristesse durera toujours...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by afsjesse View Post
                            Well, i'm still not sleeping lately. I think I'm going on two months will little to no sleep each night. Not really sure what's going on. Avoiding coffee for the most part, eating right, exercising, drinking herbal tea at night, taking mg before bed, deep breathing etc..... nothing seems to be helping.

                            Going to the doc in a couple of weeks to get my bp checked again, not sure if it's related. Stress has been reduced lately, that hasn't really affected things. I'm actually starting to have the shakes in my hands when I hold things, that's kind of alarming to me.

                            Thoughts?
                            afsjesse,

                            My prescription for your sleep disorder is . . . . Drum Roll . . . . . Drum Roll . . . . .
                            HOT SEX before going to sleep has been known to make a man sleep well all night long ;--))

                            Dr. Grizz

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Shrinking_Violet View Post
                              Katherine - I'm surprised at you, and more than a little shocked! That you, of all people, would even venture to suggest that ANYONE take benzos
                              Though I am not a huge fan of pharmaceuticals, I must interject. JESUS CHRIST, SV...if you are going to go off half cocked, at least get your damn facts straight! Ambien is a non-benzodiazapine sedative-hypnotic.

                              Furthermore, just because you had problems with benzos (no shocker there) does not mean everybody will.

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