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  • How would Grok be treated.....

    ...if he was gay?

    There seem to be quite a few openly gay people on this board. I'm not here to talk trash or rile anyone up. It just crossed my mind this afternoon that this entire lifestyle we're embracing is loosely based on the life and times of a fictional character named Grok. We want to eat like we think he ate and move about in our lives like he probably moved, etc. But, what would Grok's life be like if he was gay?
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    I think that his fellow Groks would probably care more about how well he could throw a spear rather than what he would do with his own personal spear.
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    • #3
      Ya know... I've always considered early human tribes to be not that different from wolf packs. I once heard it said that perhaps we didn't domesticate the wolf, but he domesticated us, but that's besides the point. Just observing the dudes I work with, it's pretty clear they have a pecking order just like a pack of wolves. It's both humorous and insightful.

      So when these questions come up, about "Grok Culture" I just sort of figure to myself that it would be as in any wolf pack. He'd either be a submissive male, or an outcast, I would assume.

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      • #4
        are there gay wolves?

        (seriosuly, arent most animals bi? I am sure I heard that on QI...so I believe it!)

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        • #5
          most humans are, to some extent, bisexual. and to OP, he'd probably be outcast or something. perhaps killed. fortunately, we live in modern times.

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          • #6
            Actualy, if Native American cultures are any indicator, homosexuality would be accepted more than in modern american culture.
            Homophobia is more of a religous / cultural thing than a primitive thing
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Diana Renata View Post
              He'd either be a submissive male, or an outcast, I would assume.
              Interesting. Why would he be submissive? Being gay doesn't mean that a guy is any less masculine, aggressive, dominant or physical...
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mog View Post
                are there gay wolves?
                It occurs in pretty much every species from what I've read.

                It certainly does in Lions... haven't you heard of Gay Pride!
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Misabi View Post
                  It occurs in pretty much every species from what I've read.

                  It certainly does in Lions... haven't you heard of Gay Pride!
                  lmfao. Good one.

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                  • #10
                    The concept of "homosexuality" in the modern sense only emerged around the 1890s, so the question as posed is unanswerable. It's entirely a modern, western concept. Who Grok might bonk would not lead him to be categorized in the modern identity sense of "gay."

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                    • #11
                      In many indigenous cultures, there is a special role for gay men- usually shamanic. I'd imagine that most cultures which heavily rely on able-bodied adults for survival would treat a gay man as important regardless of his sexual orientation. I specify gay men, because i haven't run across much literature about lesbians in indigenous cultures.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 979roadrunner View Post
                        Actualy, if Native American cultures are any indicator, homosexuality would be accepted more than in modern american culture.
                        Homophobia is more of a religous / cultural thing than a primitive thing
                        Homosexuality was very accepted in ancient Greece. Walk into most any gay bar if you want to see some macho men. (I'm not gay. Son is.)
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                        • #13
                          Check out the film Keep the River on Your Right and the book of the same name, if it's still in print.

                          http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0206187/

                          and here is Tobias SchneeBaum's Obituary from the NY Times

                          I was watching this movie the other day pondering similar questions.
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                          • #14
                            Being gay/having gay people around would most definately be a good thing back then. They're another helping hand to hunt, but are not going to, or are less likely to reproduce.

                            I think since back then you wouldn't know as many people, and therefore wouldn't know or hear about gays as much, there would definately be no culture of bias against them. Admission: I'm not entirely sure of my sexuality. I guess I'm bi, I don't know... but I think if I were a caveman, and I made moves on another caveman, I think on average the response would be positive. They'd think "hey, it feels good, if he wants to, why not?"
                            Last edited by Cavebot 3.0; 11-01-2010, 10:51 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by New Renaissance View Post
                              Check out the film Keep the River on Your Right and the book of the same name, if it's still in print.

                              http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0206187/

                              and here is Tobias SchneeBaum's Obituary from the NY Times

                              I was watching this movie the other day pondering similar questions.
                              Hey yeah I saw that. I was watching it and admittedly started getting bored, I was expecting something else from the description I read, but then they started on about his relationships and I continued watching Overall it was very interesting.

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