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    I'm not a private person and as such I'd like anyone's personal advice. Even better, if anyone reads this and is willing to talk to me through the messaging system, i'd appreciate some one on one dialogue.

    I have a pretty bad case of OCD that is accompanied by anxiety. Took me going to Argentina at 16 and having a full fledged panic attack in the airport to get diagnosed. I was sent home and immediately put on Prozac. Did that for a couple years, switched to Paxil... drastic side effects and I switched back to Prozac and weaned myself off while living in Korea. I've been off for over two years now, but I feel like i need something to calm me down. I'm a naturally tense person and uber hyped a lot. Super stressed with grad school and not getting good sleep.

    Since switching to Primal, I've gotten that great boost of energy, some weight loss and the like. I've also been more tense than usual and have what resembles symptoms of a panic attack, but not so much.

    Does anyone have any advice as to any supplements I could take to help me through this? Would St. John's Wort help at all? Thanks so much.

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    • #3
      Kava is great at treating the symptoms and to a lesser extent valerian and passion flower

      Try fish oils and/or i.f. if you arent already to treat the cause
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      • #4
        I've been eating a lot of frozen salmon and canned tuna. I'll look into the kava. Thanks for the recommendations.

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        • #5
          afsjesse,

          Primary recommendation is a well trained therapist/facility trained in Exposure & Response Prevention (a form of Cognitive Behaviioral Therapy that is evidence based). There is no pill or supplement that will take the place of proper behavioral therapy.

          As far as "supplements", you can try Inositol in the powder form but you have to follow a specific titration schedule. You can also use NAC (N-Acetyl Cysteine)...these supplements have some yet not a lot of data behind them and have very inconsistent results.

          Good luck...if you need more specific info, PM me.......I'm a professional and willing to provide info if you want it. Either way, best of luck to you with whatever you choose.

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          • #6
            Thanks for the reply, I appreciate the advice. Never heard of NAC. No health insurance, so no Cognitive Therapy for me. Although I do have access to counselors on campus, so I may try to get them involved a little.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by afsjesse View Post
              I I've been off for over two years now, but I feel like i need something to calm me down. I'm a naturally tense person and uber hyped a lot. Super stressed with grad school and not getting good sleep.

              Since switching to Primal, I've gotten that great boost of energy, some weight loss and the like. I've also been more tense than usual and have what resembles symptoms of a panic attack, but not so much.
              Personal past hx of severe, debilitating anxiety, full blown panic attacks, ocd etc

              It took me 8 weeks on primal to 'calm down' to my normal levels. Having said that, I'm not a naturally calm person but rather one who has decided in the last 5 years or so to cultivate calm. To choose it every moment. I have many cognitive behavioral strategies on board, meditation, breathing techniques and perhaps most important (at times) orthomolecular tx which uses vitamins, minerals and efas.

              Inositol is an evidence based tx for anxiety. Incredibly effective at appropriate doses (12-18g per day....divide the doses).
              http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...g=content;col1
              http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl..._ylo=&as_vis=0

              1) you have to sleep. no matter what. sleep, especially the hours that come before midnight, are foundationally important. Do whatever you must to sleep. sleep hygiene, herbs, minerals, appropriate drugs...whatever it takes. a sleep deficit can trigger anxiety, behavior that looks like ADHD, OCD and more, affects executive function and activity in the prefrontal cortex. You must sleep. Enough. Every night. And if you don't sleep enough one night, you need to make that sleep up another night.

              2) consider reading Joan Matthew's Larson's Depression Free Naturally. It's much more thorough than Julia Ross' book The Mood Cure.
              things that may help (but read the book first): tryptophan, GABA, specific b vitamins, exercise, cognitive behavioral therapy, rapid eye movement desensitzation therapy, EFT, optimzing Ω3:6 ratios, vitamin d, meditation. I'd try inositol first though as it's cheap and oh so effective.

              3) increase magnesium signficiantly. I'm back to 500-1000 mg per day of Jigsaw time released magnesium dimalate. I let symptoms guide the dosing (anxiety, muscle tension, muscle cramps - incl period related cramping)
              http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...013#post207013
              http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...bout-Magnesium
              http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...esium&p=165040



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              • #8
                Originally posted by afsjesse View Post
                I've been eating a lot of frozen salmon and canned tuna. I'll look into the kava. Thanks for the recommendations.
                I'd exercise caution with herbs. While I have used them extensively in the past, it's important to remember that in these cases, we're talking about drugs -albeit 'natural' ones. SJW is a very complicated substances that increases photosensitiivty, blood thinning and has led to surgery complications.

                Kava has been implicated in causing liver damage. And it is a *powerful* CNS depressant. After taking 8 drops of a liquid tincture, I experienced serious impairment to my breathing reflex. i literally had to remember to breathe for about three hours after taking that dose. It was terrifying.

                If you decide to use Kava, use the same care you would with xanax and valium.



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                • #9
                  Wow... thanks!!!! I take 500mg. of Magnesium before bed. It's just a cheap Walmart bran. I'm on a student budget. I'll look for Inositol tomorrow at Walgreens. I'll also read the links that you posted. I really do appreciate it.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by afsjesse View Post
                    Thanks for the reply, I appreciate the advice. Never heard of NAC. No health insurance, so no Cognitive Therapy for me. Although I do have access to counselors on campus, so I may try to get them involved a little.
                    A lot of the cognitive behavioral techniques are things you can learn on your own - without expensive therapy. It's worth trying out the campus counselors. They may be very helpful....or not.



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                    • #11
                      Panic attacks are no fun!!
                      Neurofeedback (especially the Brainstate Conditioning kind) would be great if you were able to do it. I've had so many clients with panic attacks who stopped having them and whose OCD improved.

                      Basically, with panic attacks you have too many high frequencies being generated in the wrong part of the brain (usually the temporal lobes) and forming new neural networks for your brain to work with stops this pattern and balances the nervous system and stress response. OCD is an example of the wrong kind of brainwaves in the frontal lobes. Changing your brain's wiring is a truly amazing process.

                      As far as something that can help right now, L-Theanine is a very safe amino acid that reduces anxiety and keeps you calm and focused. My sister used to have regular anxiety attacks and she loves L-Theanine. It works quickly- usually in 20-30 min.

                      When you feel a panic attack coming on, focus on breathing deeply into your belly while keeping your chest relaxed. This will stimulate the parasympathetic nervous system and help to calm you. Breathing shallowly in the chest triggers the sympathetic nervous system response and can actually bring on a panic attack.
                      Here's a little video that shows proper belly breathing. It's REALLY important to practice proper breathing (and it's free:-)
                      http://www.ehow.com/video_4942054_do...breathing.html
                      http://www.prettyinprimal.blogspot.com

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                      • #12
                        I just read that to my daughter HJ who has panic attacks (and doesn't listen to me about gluten).

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                        • #13
                          I second Cillakat's suggestions.

                          If the magnesium supplements aren't effective, and the ones which might be effective are too expensive, there is a low-cost way to get magnesium into your body in a highly usable form, for very little money. "Transdermal" magnesium, or "magnesium oil" is a brine of magnesium chloride which can be rubbed into your skin and later washed off. The official "Ancient Minerals" brand of magnesium oil is pretty pricey, but then, a little goes a long way. And the flakes are cheaper. Swanson seems to carry the same things -- "oil" and flakes -- and they are cheaper. And if you search online, "nigari" (which the Japanese refine from seawater and use to firm up their tofu) is also magnesium chloride which can be made into brine (just put the flakes in a bottle, add filtered water, adding more flakes as they dissolve). A web search will probably turn up a very cheap source of nigari.

                          Hope all these suggestions can change your mind about how permanent a part of your personality the OCD really is. You just might need to know what your body requires to keep its cool.

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