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    I wrote a guest post yesterday on Kitchen Stewardship. She is a full time Christian and many of her readers are too. I simply answered the question: What is a primal lifestyle?

    You can check out the post by clicking here.

    If you scroll down to the comments you will notice a few people questioning the evolution theory because God created Earth which has been here for 6,000 years. And grains are in Genesis. I responded to the comments as best as I could.

    But, if you had to respond to the following comment how would you?!

    "While I find the subject interesting, I disagree with it for a few reasons, one of them being that as a Christian, when Christ called himself “The bread of life” meaning that he should be central to life, what supports us, and equate that with bread/grain…well, what more can I say to that?!

    I do acknowledge that for some people, their human body has gone haywire, and does not function well with grain or gluten. But that is not supposed to be the norm of how our body was created."

    Thanks guys!!
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    Well, if we assume that Jesus actually exists, then she's just resorting to the argument from authority. What Jesus or God say has no relevance if it doesn't stack up against empirical fact. Authority figures don't deserve blind obedience, even if they're purported to have magical powers.

    Religion doesn't come from a place of reason, though, so trying to argue against it using science and empiricism makes as much sense as trying to convince the bum downtown that he isn't hearing voices. You can't reason someone out of something they were never reasoned into in the first place.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Chaohinon View Post
      Religion doesn't come from a place of reason, though, so trying to argue against it using science and empiricism makes as much sense as trying to convince the bum downtown that he isn't hearing voices. You can't reason someone out of something they were never reasoned into in the first place.
      +1 million.

      But anyway, to answer your question..I don't respond. There is nothing you can say to change that opinion in my experience.
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      • #4
        I would take it as a cue to bow out of the discussion as fast as possible. If I were a Christian, I might know what to say, but I'm not, and scientific arguments won't cut it.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Primal Toad View Post

          But, if you had to respond to the following comment how would you?!

          "While I find the subject interesting, I disagree with it for a few reasons, one of them being that as a Christian, when Christ called himself “The bread of life” meaning that he should be central to life, what supports us, and equate that with bread/grain…well, what more can I say to that?!

          I do acknowledge that for some people, their human body has gone haywire, and does not function well with grain or gluten. But that is not supposed to be the norm of how our body was created."

          Thanks guys!!
          The commenter is making a theological claim, so I would respond theologically. As a Christian who follows primal, I have thought about the philosophical justifications from my perspective--and the Bread of Life issue came to my mind. Basically, I hold that Jesus spoke into the culture of first century Palestine, using concepts they would understand. Bread was HUGE is Israel: during the Exodus from Egypt, God had fed the children of Israel with "bread" from heaven (manna, meaning "what is it," so, we don't know what it was). Bread continues to be a central component of Passover. So, when Jesus called himself the Bread of Life, he was referencing these ideas: he was NOT making a case for eating grain.
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          • #6
            Instead of trying to change a person's religion (which you're not going to do in a few words or through a blog), just go with what you know. Stir them to modern times and what we can all agree on today. It's very hard to argue with. If a person must base the success of their diet on their religion, then you're done.

            We KNOW TODAY people are not functioning well on grains... allergy, gluten intolerance, celiac. Grains offer little nutritional value. This is an absolute fact that can not be refuted. The purpose of grains in a CW diet is for FIBER, which we can very reasonably get from fruits and veggies. Which also supply wonderful amounts of nutrition. You can not refute that. No person on earth NEEDS sugar. That has never been a race of any era that required it for survival. Exercise is paramount in some form. And it does NOT have to be at the olympic level We say that day to day. Those that sit on their butts all day are OBVIOUS on general appearance.

            So, for the record, I'm Catholic... We do not believe in the 6000 year thing... (so I can't help you with that.) We do believe that God created the earth and all that's on it. We don't care what you can prove scientifically, because regardless of what you prove we believe that it's directed by the hand of God. And that the scientists just figured it out. We accept scientific evidence.... and we accept the status that evolution has been given by the scientific community. A Theory.

            We can look to Native American tribes that were not all grain and sugar inducted when we took over their land. We can see today, in remaining descendants (many 100%) their systems do NOT cope with grain and sugar... and as a Christian, I was say they are God creations as well. They develop diabetes and other debilitating disease they never saw before. I suspect in healthful tribal communities world wide (that still exist today; Meaning tribes that can acquire adequate supplies of food on their land we don't see celiac, auto immune, diabetes etc. (I don't have a good source for that.)

            Ok... So Christ IS the Bread of Life... (which I suppose you could say means you don't need bread out of bag... )... Christ is also "the Lamb of God.". God has provided us with all that we need to survive. Meaning, man whipped up all the boxed items. God gave us the Fruits, veggies, animals... Not crackers, pasta, or ding dongs.

            Ok... quick summary. 1)Not gonna changes a persons belief structure. 2)You don't need to 3)because you have today's stat figures with regard to the damage that grains and sugar do to the body.

            Hope that helps....

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Primal Toad View Post
              I do acknowledge that for some people, their human body has gone haywire, and does not function well with grain or gluten. But that is not supposed to be the norm of how our body was created."

              Thanks guys!!
              And let's say, just for the sake of argument... that it's NOT supposed to be the norm of how our body was created. That could be true. Regardless, that's not the case anymore. Man has really screwed things up. And now man's body does not work properly. And Man must do something about that... or fail to function as a man (human)... ie... die...

              It's almost like original sin. Each generation screws something up... and the next pays for it!

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              • #8
                I'm an atheist, and I would simply point and laugh. I just can't take believers seriously. There's no evidence, and they still believe. It's ridiculous.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by twinmama View Post

                  So, for the record, I'm Catholic... We do not believe in the 6000 year thing... (so I can't help you with that.) We do believe that God created the earth and all that's on it. We don't care what you can prove scientifically, because regardless of what you prove we believe that it's directed by the hand of God. And that the scientists just figured it out. We accept scientific evidence.... and we accept the status that evolution has been given by the scientific community. A Theory.
                  Thank you for saying this. I pretty much agree with all of what you said, but I just wanted to add that, too.

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                  • #10
                    Smile and say, "Okay."
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                    • #11
                      Yes the earth is 6,000 years old and fossils were put in the earth to test our faith......lol

                      Being from the bible belt ive heard it all. You can never reason with those people. I think of religion as a philosophy which you can take good things from. I love reading Taoism text, its very insightful. Do I pray to an imaginary guy with a beard in the sky? No. But i dont judge those who do. Its a personal choice.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Griff View Post
                        I'm an atheist, and I would simply point and laugh. I just can't take believers seriously. There's no evidence, and they still believe. It's ridiculous.
                        I don't like many of your responses Griff... You would literally point and laugh? Why? There is no reason to laugh at what someone believes in no matter what it is. Thats what makes this world so great - no one is right or wrong about anything. We all believe in different things. In the end the only thing that matters is that we are alive. We are all living on this beautiful Earth and have a chance to make it extremely special with our choices.
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                        • #13
                          Thank you everyone else for your responses. I already responded to all the comments as best as I could. Keep them coming though! I am enjoying all the responses.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Athena View Post
                            Yes the earth is 6,000 years old and fossils were put in the earth to test our faith......lol

                            Being from the bible belt ive heard it all. You can never reason with those people. I think of religion as a philosophy which you can take good things from. I love reading Taoism text, its very insightful. Do I pray to an imaginary guy with a beard in the sky? No. But i dont judge those who do. Its a personal choice.
                            Hi Athena! Thank you for your response. I don't pray either but I am NEVER going to stop anyone from doing so. In my eyes, praying allows one to connect with their inner self.

                            When someone asks me if I believe in God I say yes. I just might define "God" differently then them. We all have our own little theories - no one believes in the exact same thing. Maybe the basic principes but we all interpret it all differently - especially religion. We are unable to comprehend how the universe got started or what the point of it is - its mind-boggling and not comprehendible.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Primal Toad View Post
                              Hi Athena! Thank you for your response. I don't pray either but I am NEVER going to stop anyone from doing so. In my eyes, praying allows one to connect with their inner self.

                              When someone asks me if I believe in God I say yes. I just might define "God" differently then them. We all have our own little theories - no one believes in the exact same thing. Maybe the basic principes but we all interpret it all differently - especially religion. We are unable to comprehend how the universe got started or what the point of it is - its mind-boggling and not comprehendible.
                              I agree. I mean I dont know whats true. I dont believe I wont ever be able to. I think of "God" as energy that flows in and out of things. I dont really think of it as one person but a 'force' ....ok getting a little star wars. lol <---- NERD
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