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  • #31
    When God created Adam & Eve in the Garden of Eden he didn't give them a mortar & pestle and an oven, so maybe the eating of grain is an invention of Man and Jesus was relating to the masses to get his message across.
    I think this is very well put.

    I think you need to be really careful with statements like this. Ideas like this are what leads to very heated arguments and in the extreme; holy wars.
    Could you be more specific? Do you mean the first sentence? Most of the posters on this thread have made a blanket statement that all religions are based on faith alone, not reason, that is, blind faith. I said that many people of many different religions will agree with that statement regarding their own religions, but my religion does not and has never claimed to be based on faith alone (shunning all attempts to understand God and/or the world by reason).

    That is a true statement and I don't really see it as inflammatory, consider how many billions of people will agree that that is an accurate assessment of their own religions. I hope for peaceful, respectful dialogue, never battles, so I look forward to your response to be able to modify my position and/or mode of expressing it, if necessary.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by MamaGrok View Post
      I hope for peaceful, respectful dialogue, never battles, so I look forward to your response to be able to modify my position and/or mode of expressing it, if necessary.
      Me too!

      I'll PM you so I don't hijack this thread.

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      • #33
        Hmm, to be a little more specific about what is confusing me - many people here have said that ALL religion is non-reason-based, that is, irrational. I said that only SOME religions are non-reason-based. I did not make a claim that only mine believes that God is rational and reasonable & can be approached by human reason.

        Am I understanding your point of contention correctly?

        ETA: cross-posted; I'll wait for your PM!
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        Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
        Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
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        • #34
          We may all take a lesson from my great grandmothers generation with this sort of discussion. To wit:

          "Religion and politics are not discussed in polite society".

          Your thread was about food, diet, lifestyle. Nothing further need be added.
          They used to call me No Neck, but now I have one.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by chasbuddy View Post
            We may all take a lesson from my great grandmothers generation with this sort of discussion. To wit:

            "Religion and politics are not discussed in polite society".

            Your thread was about food, diet, lifestyle. Nothing further need be added.


            What he said.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Griff View Post
              I'm an atheist, and I would simply point and laugh. I just can't take believers seriously. There's no evidence, and they still believe. It's ridiculous.
              That's your right. And mine is to back away, slowly, from someone who is acting so strangely.

              I just can't take people like that seriously - those that need to point and laugh at people. Are we on a second grade playground?

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              • #37
                I'm a Christian. I believe the Bible is true. I do not believe it is a scientific paper. Jesus (and Moses, and Paul et al) were addressing the cultures of their time. Bread was the big, basic food, so it makes sense that it's in the language he used. The Bread of Life is an analogy, not a literal truth. Jesus doesn't give us an exercise program, so does that mean we shouldn't exercise? He was here to save our souls, not our diets.

                And there are plenty of Christians who believe in both evolution and the first chapter of Genesis. If someone is coming from the 6,000 year view I would tell them that I don't think God would have put any food on this earth that would hurt us eating it right from the source. However, grain is not edible until it's been worked and reworked by men. If nothing else, how could you go wrong eating the plants and animals God provided?

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                • #38
                  Back to OP:

                  I am a Christian who believes in creation, and here's how I break it down: God created our bodies to function optimally on different fuels; excessive grains just don't work well for our body. As previous posters have mentioned, bread of life is a cultural reference to what the current culture valued (and perhaps a good once since generations since have similarly valued a bread centric diet! lol).

                  When approaching someone who has questions about PB and God, I would ask them intelligent questions back instead of "arguing" or "preaching" against them. Some things to consider are questions like "Do you think Jesus calling himself the bread of life was literal or figurative? What evidence in scripture points you to that direction? If we take that literally, what does it really mean (Because honestly, I can only interpret that metaphorically) If it is a metaphor then, aren't metaphors culturally based to convey a larger truth to the intended culture? Do you believe that everything God created for on this earth is good for our bodies? After that question, I would follow the line of if drugs, alcohol, tobacco, etc can wreak havoc on your body in excess, couldn't other items do the same?

                  This way, you're coming across as trying to understand where they are coming from while also showing them that their interpretation of scriptures might not be only/best one!

                  I hope that helps in the future!

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                  • #39
                    "When god tells you to eat bread- YOU FIND A NEW GOD!!"

                    "It's a metaphor dumbass."

                    "My invisible monster can kick your invisible monster's ass."

                    "Kill yourself, and then I'll take you seriously."

                    "You don't understand Capitalism"

                    "Youire making the baby ronald reagan cry."

                    "My cat's breath smells like cat food."

                    and so forth.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by avocado View Post
                      That's your right. And mine is to back away, slowly, from someone who is acting so strangely.

                      I just can't take people like that seriously - those that need to point and laugh at people. Are we on a second grade playground?
                      *shrug* I meant "point and laugh" figuratively. What I'd really do is start eviscerating their belief system. But the fact is, I can't regard belief in a "god" with anything other than pity and head-scratching as to why anyone would believe such silly nonsense.

                      Look, we're on this site to find out how to make our bodies work better. That's called SCIENCE, not RELIGION. Anyone using religious justifications for their dietary choices is either a) ignorant and in desperate need of education or b) too unintelligent to ever understand reality and thus a lost cause. I'm firmly on the side of science, because science actually provides real evidence for its claims. Religion does no such thing - quite the contrary. It demands belief without proof and calls it "faith."

                      Sorry, but I'm just not that credulous.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Griff View Post
                        *shrug* I meant "point and laugh" figuratively. What I'd really do is start eviscerating their belief system. But the fact is, I can't regard belief in a "god" with anything other than pity and head-scratching as to why anyone would believe such silly nonsense.

                        Look, we're on this site to find out how to make our bodies work better. That's called SCIENCE, not RELIGION. Anyone using religious justifications for their dietary choices is either a) ignorant and in desperate need of education or b) too unintelligent to ever understand reality and thus a lost cause. I'm firmly on the side of science, because science actually provides real evidence for its claims. Religion does no such thing - quite the contrary. It demands belief without proof and calls it "faith."

                        Sorry, but I'm just not that credulous.
                        I don't believe in 'God' per-se but I respect people who do. I dont think people who believe in a faith are ignorant or unintelligent. I know many intelligent brilliant people who believe in God. I believe there exists a cognitive dissonance between faith and science. I think its totally possible to believe in both science and religion in two different contexts.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Athena View Post
                          I don't believe in 'God' per-se but I respect people who do. I dont think people who believe in a faith are ignorant or unintelligent. I know many intelligent brilliant people who believe in God. I believe there exists a cognitive dissonance between faith and science. I think its totally possible to believe in both science and religion in two different contexts.
                          I don't. If you believe science and the scientific method of "disprove your hypothesis if you can," then religion is by definition false. I don't respect people who believe things without proof. I can't. If you can, more power to you - but in my opinion, respecting beliefs that have no proof behind them (i.e. RELIGION - and for that matter, most of CW) is just enabling the believers to keep on messing up the world with the consequences of those beliefs.
                          Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

                          Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


                          Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

                          My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

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                          • #43
                            I haven't read through ALL the post on this thread so I don't know if this has been covered yet. I am a Christian who is following the primal eating style about 95%. For me, I feel as though God designed our bodies to work this way. It doesn't contradict anything in the Bible except the theory of evolution being used to back it up. It can just as easily be backed up by a Christian as how we were designed. Whether we were designed or evolved, it doesn't change the fact that the science behind the primal lifestyle is solid and is not just a "theory". It's obvious our bodies work best under this set of circumstances so, regardless of beliefs, there is no excuse to reject the solid science in relation to how our bodies operate.

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                            • #44
                              Griff,

                              First, I find your original post hilarious and ironic considering you voluntarily put yourself into a state that a lot of society would “point and laugh” at, figuratively and literally. In fact, that was one of the reasons you said you didn’t want to go out and exercise, was concern over public ridicule.
                              Originally posted by Griff View Post
                              I just have to get over being embarrassed about looking like a beached whale.
                              Yet, you feel the need to ridicule others. Nice.

                              Second, atheism, like religion, is a belief, not a fact. Neither side has observable, empirical or experimental data to support their stance. It’s that simple. No living person knows what happens after death.

                              As for some of your points: Science can’t prove a Unified Field Theory, it doesn’t mean there isn’t one. And whether it’s religion, politics, philosophy or some other train of though, people will always do bad things to other people.

                              I’m not a believer in a higher power, but that doesn’t give me some sense of superiority over people who are. Would you like it if every “fit” person stopped to read you the riot act on how your lifestyle gave way to your current predicament?

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                              • #45
                                When someone mentions god - this is how I respond

                                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR5cuGJ5vG8#t=0m26s
                                ad astra per aspera

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