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    Anyone been on sleep meds before?

    I have a huge sleep debt to pay and can't get more than 2-4 hours of sleep. I wake up during those 2-4 hours as well.

    I've tried all the natural supplements to failure and am going to the doc today to get something to put me out at night - at least for awhile until I can establish a good pattern and then back off them.

    My question is about what the trajectory looks like. Are there any changes to your eating habits? Gain/Lose weight without trying? Feel *hungover in morning? Anything surprising?

    Another question I would have is if folks have had sleep issues and it turned out to be a cortisol issue or some adrenal wackiness and how/if it was resolved.

    Other than sleep I am 97.435% primal for > 1 year and will never look back!

  • #2
    Originally posted by STA View Post
    Anyone been on sleep meds before?
    dh takes ambien *every* night.

    I have a huge sleep debt to pay and can't get more than 2-4 hours of sleep. I wake up during those 2-4 hours as well.

    I've tried all the natural supplements to failure and am going to the doc today to get something to put me out at night - at least for awhile until I can establish a good pattern and then back off them.
    Sounds like a plan. Good sleep is so foundationally important. It's an absolutely requirement.

    I've had adrenal issues at times but I was able to workout those issues (irt sleep) with b5, C, magnesium and herbs.

    Recently though, while adapting to LC, I didn't sleep for about two months aside from 2-4h per night, often with wakings as you mentioned. I thought I would die. Even ambien didn't help. Nothing did.

    Then I did a carb refeed (or basically a weekend of sangria and lemon cake...lol) and after that, the sleep issues resolved.

    I'm sure you've done all the other things like blackout curtains, a mask, earplugs, no screens 2h prior to bed etc etc.

    Take the meds and don't look back.


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    • #3
      Funny I just posted about sleep in my journal. I've tried all the sleep hygiene tips and herbal remedies to no avail. My next step is to try GABA and 5htp. I currently take Lunesta and would like to get off it.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by DiabetesCanKissMyButt View Post
        Funny I just posted about sleep in my journal. I've tried all the sleep hygiene tips and herbal remedies to no avail. My next step is to try GABA and 5htp. I currently take Lunesta and would like to get off it.
        Have you tried melatonin? I'd try tryptophan before trying 5-htp. 5htp doesn't occur naturally in our diets....our bodies make it from tryptophan. It's generally preferable to supply the raw materials so that we can convert as needed.



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        • #5
          Originally posted by cillakat View Post
          Have you tried melatonin? I'd try tryptophan before trying 5-htp. 5htp doesn't occur naturally in our diets....our bodies make it from tryptophan. It's generally preferable to supply the raw materials so that we can convert as needed.
          +1

          Melatonin helped me get off of taking lunesta. It really helps a lot. Sometimes I still have issues waking up "wired" at around 3 am, but magnesium sends me right back where I need to be..........snoozing............

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          • #6
            Yes I've tried melatonin.

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            • #7
              I use Lunesta occasionally--usually when I haven't slept well for several nights. I seem more alert, energetic the day after taking it.

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              • #8
                Have you been evaluated for sleep apnea? You don't need to be overweight to have an issue with apnea and nothing will help except CPAP... not so bad, I am sleeping 7-8 hours at a shot now (used to wake every 2-4 hours)
                Also, Have you read Lights out: sugar, sleep & survival by Wiley?

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                • #9
                  Thanks all!

                  Just saw the doc and we have a plan.

                  ORBren: doc didn't mention anything about sleep apnea. I'm giving the drugs 2 weeks and if they don't help me sleep I'm going back and I will mention apnea. I have not read that book but have heard Robb Wolf and Andy Deas talk about it a ton on their podcast. I'll have to pick it up. I know they talk a lot about waking up naturally but thats hard to do when you have a 2 or a 4 year old jumping on your chest at 5:45AM!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by STA View Post
                    Thanks all!

                    Just saw the doc and we have a plan.

                    ORBren: doc didn't mention anything about sleep apnea. I'm giving the drugs 2 weeks and if they don't help me sleep I'm going back and I will mention apnea. I have not read that book but have heard Robb Wolf and Andy Deas talk about it a ton on their podcast. I'll have to pick it up. I know they talk a lot about waking up naturally but thats hard to do when you have a 2 or a 4 year old jumping on your chest at 5:45AM!
                    What did the doc give you? I wish you the best of luck -- sleep issues/insomnia are tortuous, and I've dealt with them all my life. Currently taking 1/2 10mg ambien at least 5 nights a week but wanting to get off. It's the one thing in my life I wish I could change (yes, I do earplugs, blackout curtains, and other sleep hygiene)... UGH!
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                    • #11
                      Angieh: He gave me trazodone. My insomnia is due to stress/anxiety (out of my control at this stage of my life) so he did not think I would be reestablishing a good pattern any time soon. I guess this is an off-label use of this drug. He did not want to go the ambien route. He called it the devil's brew?! I guess the trazodone can be used for a long time without developing problems. Good luck to you as well!

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                      • #12
                        That works well for my sister. I think with medications like this, it's an individual thing to find what works.

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                        • #13
                          Ah, stress and anxiety ... sounds like a ready made situation for using a lot of magnesium oil (it's a brine, magnesium chloride.) You rub it into your skin -- a lot of skin if you have a big anxiety problem -- and then after a half hour or so you can wash it back off. It kind of sticks to clothes. You should know in short order if this is going to work for you, but it might be magic, not just for the insomnia, but for the anxiety as well.

                          Magnesium by mouth is a lot slower, and can cause gut problems.

                          My sleep also got a lot deeper when I started taking a methyl B12 tablet (sublingual) every night at bed time. You have to have a really dark bedroom for that to work, though.

                          My sister likes using passionflower tincture, in some water. A great relaxer at bedtime.

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                          • #14
                            Try meditation. I have been a chronic insomniac for 15 years and it is the only thing that has worked consistently for me with no side effects. Obviously it takes more effort (you must do it daily for at least 15 min) but it's far superior to any pill (I know this from experience) because the result is a decrease in anxiety and good quality natural sleep. This is backed up by science.

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