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  • #31
    Originally posted by Griff View Post
    *shrug* Even those who think they can eat carbs and not feel the side effects will eventually feel the side effects. Why tempt fate?
    Different things work for different bodies. I highly doubt the shaved apple slice (1/8th oz) on my salad is going to "tempt fate". Once again, this is a forum that involves the consumption of fruit. I dont know why you must jump on everyones back when they say they eat fruit. Cant you just accept that people do things differently than you?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by lmyers04 View Post
      Carbs are a sensitive subject here, and everyone seems to think that they know whats best for everyone else, but the truth is different bodies=different things. You said Grif's approach was "crazy". He then insinuated that you were slowly killing yourself. Neither comments were well thought out or productive. Hence, sandbox.
      Unlike his comment, mine is actually accurate. Eat carbs and you will eventually kill your pancreas. You can think what you like - I'm not going to be able to stop you because I'm just a random guy on a forum and besides, why would I care? - but I know what I've seen and experienced, and more to the point, the science supports my view. There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate, and we can get along just fine without eating them.

      When I was younger and eating carbs, I thought I could live on them forever too. Now I'm a diabetic. I'd like to see people avoid that fate, and they can't if they continue to say "Well, it's okay to eat SOME carbs because [I'm an athlete/you need carbs/I have to refill my glycogen stores/whatever excuse you want to use.]" Eat fat and protein, and your body will replenish those glycogen stores from gluconeogenesis without you having to eat a single gram of carbs.

      But like I said, that's your funeral, not mine.
      Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

      Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


      Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

      My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

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      • #33
        Griff you are too carbophobic man.

        ps. do you even know how much protein you need to replenish glycogen for someone who is lifting heavy weights? A shitload.
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        • #34
          No such thing as "too carbophobic." Like I said, believe what you like. It's no skin off my nose if you choose to poison yourself.
          Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

          Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


          Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

          My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Griff View Post
            No such thing as "too carbophobic." Like I said, believe what you like. It's no skin off my nose if you choose to poison yourself.
            HAHAHHHHAH this is just as ridiculous as the low-fat craze.

            "To the human body, a spoonful of flour and a spoonful of sugar are identical."

            Uh, no. You're totally ignoring the fructose in sugar which is metabolized differently.

            Do you even lift weights?
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            • #36
              I just dont see the logic where a physically fit, healthy female who eats less than 50 grams of carbs a day is going to develop diabetes just because some of those carbs are from fruit.

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              • #37
                No, actually, I don't lift weights. And I don't see any point in doing so, either. I get enough exercise just hauling my fat ass around campus.

                Look, we're not going to agree, and I recognize that. Mocking me will not convince me. So here's a suggestion: stop responding to me, and I'll stop responding to you.
                Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

                Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


                Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

                My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by lmyers04 View Post
                  I just dont see the logic where a physically fit, healthy female who eats less than 50 grams of carbs a day is going to develop diabetes just because some of those carbs are from fruit.
                  Ask DiabetesCanKissMyButt about her experience.
                  Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

                  Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


                  Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

                  My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by lmyers04 View Post
                    I just dont see the logic where a physically fit, healthy female who eats less than 50 grams of carbs a day is going to develop diabetes just because some of those carbs are from fruit.
                    You won't. The PB itself emphasizes that a healthy individual can sit between 100 - 150 carbs a day. I am a healthy athlete, and I do this. I am sure many others here do as well, because mostly everyone here follows the Primal Diet.

                    For those who are very overweight, diabetic, or any other similar condition, staying within that range is probably not the best choice.

                    Don't misinterpret what I am saying here as an attack on anyone, I'm just living according to the Primal Blueprint!

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Rivvin View Post
                      You won't. The PB itself emphasizes that a healthy individual can sit between 100 - 150 carbs a day. I am a healthy athlete, and I do this. I am sure many others here do as well, because mostly everyone here follows the Primal Diet.

                      For those who are very overweight, diabetic, or any other similar condition, staying within that range is probably not the best choice.

                      Don't misinterpret what I am saying here as an attack on anyone, I'm just living according to the Primal Blueprint!
                      word. PB can be very different for a lot of people, thats all I was saying.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Griff View Post
                        Ask DiabetesCanKissMyButt about her experience.
                        No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear - Edmund Burke



                        You may be totally right. You may be completely wrong. But I refuse let fear rule me.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Rivvin View Post
                          You won't. The PB itself emphasizes that a healthy individual can sit between 100 - 150 carbs a day. I am a healthy athlete, and I do this. I am sure many others here do as well, because mostly everyone here follows the Primal Diet.

                          For those who are very overweight, diabetic, or any other similar condition, staying within that range is probably not the best choice.

                          Don't misinterpret what I am saying here as an attack on anyone, I'm just living according to the Primal Blueprint!
                          This is so true. If one want to follow 0 carbs for overweight, diabetic, or any other reason, then fine, however, insisting that eating carbs (from primal sources and saying within the 100-150 range) will eventually kill your pancreas is just plain silly and unscientific. I am not here to judge anyone diet. The PB is different for each person, which is good thing because we are not robots programmed to eat the same way.

                          However, I doubt one will get diabetes, become overweight, or kill their pancreas if one follows the PB and consume 100-150 grams of carbs (for a healthy individual already reached there weight goal). Many here do not eat fruit. Fine. Many here do not eat vegetables. Fine. Many here do not eat fruits and vegetables and are true carnivores. Fine. But let us to stick what's works best for us and not make silly statements that has no support in the PB and science.

                          Isn't this fear of carbs the same fear CW wants to impose on us about Saturated Fat, dietary cholesterol, and meats in general?

                          I guess in every aspect of life, you will find a extremist.
                          Last edited by Zed; 06-08-2010, 11:54 AM.

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                          • #43
                            1200-2000 depending on how hungry I am / level of activity that day. I fast some days, so it may go lower. I keep my carbs under 50g. The weight is gradually coming off - I have another 16 lbs to lose.

                            I limit my fruits to 1x daily - berries, for the most part. On rare occasion I'll eat a banana (usually frozen, a treat). I usually lose weight faster when avoiding nuts, cheeses, but I will never avoid them completely. They're an occasional indulgence.

                            My fasting blood sugar is 68-74. I'm 26 for reference. Ate moderately healthy before the PB (i.e. hearthealthywholegrains, veg, meats, some dairy, limited to no processed garbage, avoided low fat crap and sugary stuff). I was a vegetarian for a while. Not super heavy on grains (but definitely too much though, looking back) - ate a lot of veggies, good fats, eggs, butter, supplemented with fish oil. I posted somewhere else here about having relatively low blood sugar. I've done some "testing" with various sugary disasters. 2 pieces of buttercream frosted cake + 1 big scoop of Green's ice cream (most recent) yielded a high of 104.

                            Vegetables...yeah...those won't kill me. Green's ice cream...eventually, yes. I will enjoy vegetables with a gusto (and lots of butter).
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by lmyers04 View Post
                              You may be totally right. You may be completely wrong. But I refuse let fear rule me.
                              Well, you didn't watch your father die of gangrene of the feet over three or four weeks from diabetes and cancer, either, so you'll excuse me if I say that my fear is both valid and a legitimate motivator.
                              Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

                              Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


                              Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

                              My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Griff View Post
                                Well, you didn't watch your father die of gangrene of the feet over three or four weeks from diabetes and cancer, either, so you'll excuse me if I say that my fear is both valid and a legitimate motivator.
                                Sorry to hear that Griff, but 100-150 grams of primal carbs will not kill anyone, especially if they are lifting weights (why I asked you in the first place).
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