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  • #16
    Oh wow...

    The more I think about it, the more I believe that this whole "low fat vs. low carb" thing that's been going on for decades is just the most recent iteration of a more fundamental battle: animals as food vs. plants as food.

    The evidence overwhelmingly points to humans being omnivorous for the entirety of our evolution, gorging on copious amounts of both meat and veggies, with some eggs, fruit, nuts and seeds thrown into the mix. Like all of the (strong, lean) wild animals today, this "natural" diet was one that we didn't consciously choose - simply one that efficiently matched our evolved instincts with our environments.

    But one thing separates us from the other animals: our increased level of consciousness. We can observe our instincts somewhat objectively. Somewhere along the line, people started getting freaked out about eating animals as it gives a more vivid reminder of the necessity of life to feed off other life in order to survive.

    It's from this that vegetarianism came from, an ideology focused more on subjective ethics than objective health. And it's not just the veg*ns who are terrified of meat, we all are. From Ancel Keys demonizing fat and cholesterol all the way up to the T. Colin Campbells and Dean Ornishes of today, we've all been conditioned to go against our instincts to eat meat and, when we do eat it, have sterilized it as much as possible. Meat must be skinless and boneless. Marrow and organs are disgusting... and now meat must be grown in a laboratory from vegetable-based ingredients.

    Double-you tee eff.

    As excited as I am for the whole burgeoning Primal movement, I fear that the world as a whole is moving further and further away from it, and stories like this reinforce that anxiety. Because it is only when we are able to confront the realities of our ancestral diet (both good and bad) that we will be able to undo all the havoc we have done on our bodies.
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    • #17
      The methane thing isn't bullshit, grain-fed cows in close proximity produce massive (and unnatural) amounts of methane, FAR more than cows raised on grass in traditional ways. And massive pig farms really do produce giant lagoons of excrement that seep into the ground water and make neighboring communities sick.

      As proponents of grass-fed, naturally-raised meat, why the testy responses? You'd think that one thing vegetarians and PBers alike would agree on is that the industrial food system is unhealthy for humans, animals, and the environment.

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      • #18
        this made me sad. sad for our world, for our animals, for our people.

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        • #19
          Fake soy meat is one thing---ugh

          How about fake 'real' meat?

          http://www.vegetariantimes.com/featu...tors_picks/515

          http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6936352.ece

          http://www.gizmag.com/scientists-gro...n-a-lab/13478/

          Does not appeal to me.
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          • #20
            see - doomed. The human race really is determined to wipe itself out. FFS. These are the same people who don't trust science to safely vaccinate their children against rampant disease, who'd rather have someone wave their hands about in 'energy healing' rather than trust a drug that's been tested and actually works, who will rage against stem cell research and would rather keep burning coal than trust humans to run a nuclear plant - but they are willing to subsist on a pseudo-food entirely created in a laboratory.

            I. Just. just. ARGH >implode<

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            • #21
              Originally posted by helen in oz View Post
              see - doomed. The human race really is determined to wipe itself out. Ffs. These are the same people who don't trust science to safely vaccinate their children against rampant disease, who'd rather have someone wave their hands about in 'energy healing' rather than trust a drug that's been tested and actually works, who will rage against stem cell research and would rather keep burning coal than trust humans to run a nuclear plant - but they are willing to subsist on a pseudo-food entirely created in a laboratory.

              I. Just. Just. Argh >implode<
              Oh no.

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              • #22
                I'm pretty sure mcdonald's already accomplished this with their mcnuggets, cuz there is no way IN HELL they're real chicken
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                • #23
                  Back in the day, I cleaned cases of chickens in my old man's butcher shop. I never found any chicken nuggets.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by cerebelumsdayoff View Post
                    This is what gets me every time. If eating animals is unethical and immoral, then why are the vegetarians trying so hard to make processed soy products that look and [supposedly] taste like MEAT. Wouldn't one think that the person disgusted with the idea of consuming animal products would want to abscond from anything that is supposed to resemble animal products.

                    What's next, animal free bacon fat? tofu eggs?



                    I still can't believe that people don't put the two and two together: if soy is supposed to be good for you and aid in a healthy and lean lifestyle, why is it fed to animals to fatten them up prior to slaughter?

                    ha they already have tofu scramble and "fakon" (fake bacon)

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by lmyers04 View Post
                      ha they already have tofu scramble and "fakon" (fake bacon)
                      The Mayans are right then, the world will indeed end in 2012 after the vegans convince the general public that animal protein makes them sterile.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by primalpanda View Post
                        The methane thing isn't bullshit, grain-fed cows in close proximity produce massive (and unnatural) amounts of methane, FAR more than cows raised on grass in traditional ways. And massive pig farms really do produce giant lagoons of excrement that seep into the ground water and make neighboring communities sick.
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                        yes, but in what porportion to other sources of greenhouse gasses are cow farts contributing? My understanding is that there are far, far more damaging, and more numerous emissions coming from other man made sources. Although it's been a while since I checked, so I could be wrong about that. The real danger from methane, as far as I am aware isn't from cow shit, but from the gasses that are trapped under the artic regions of the planet, at a certain point, the globe will warm to the point that the permafrost will thaw, and so much more methane will be released that it will dwarf all other green house gasses combined. Supposedly.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by primalpanda View Post
                          As proponents of grass-fed, naturally-raised meat, why the testy responses? You'd think that one thing vegetarians and PBers alike would agree on is that the industrial food system is unhealthy for humans, animals, and the environment.
                          why the testy response?

                          they're ideological fanatics, logic doesn't enter into it.

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                          • #28
                            They'll probably use this as a marketing ploy to see real chicken breasts to the vegans and twelve times the markup. Shee don't tell nobody. Beef and pork are right around the corner. Vegans might pay a couple hundred for a fake steak.
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                            • #29
                              For several years, Fu-Hung Hsieh — a biological-engineering professor who, at his previous job at Quaker, figured out how to use glycerin to soften the raisins in the company's granola — had wondered how to solve the fake-chicken problem. The answer was certainly going to be a combination of soy, wheat gluten, oil and water — the building blocks of most fake meats, including Tofurky. But in what combination? And how would you get it to transform from a congealed goo into a believable simulacrum of chicken? Hsieh, a slight man who was born in Taiwan and educated at Syracuse, worked on the problem in a concrete-floored lab with an unlikely partner, Harold Huff, a tall and gruff native Missourian who runs the mechanical parts of Hsieh's lab.
                              my, how appetizing.
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                              • #30
                                The desire to eat meat has posed an ethical question ever since humans achieved reliable crop production: Do we really need to kill animals to live?
                                It's getting to the point now where I'm posing to myself this ethical question: "Do we need to start killing these vegan whackjobs in order to survive?"
                                You lousy kids! Get off my savannah!

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