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    Anyone know if kashering liver will reduce the nutrient content? I've always loved liver in the form of pate and braunschweiger but have always disliked unprocessed liver. I want to at least try to acquire a taste for it in its natural state. I figured that taking baby steps would make it easier to develop a liking for it, and I found some recipes for kosher preparation. My thoughts about kashering, or purging the blood: it seems like it would reduce some of the metallic taste but that it might also blood reduce the amount of iron content? What about the other nutients? Are they mainly in the organ itself or in the blood that is contained in the organ? Lastly, if anyone knows the ratio of lemon juice to water for the kashering process, it would be appreciated as well! Thanks!!

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    Too much iron is harmful, so reducing the iron content may be beneficial. I think the largest reason people eat liver is for the fat-soluble vitamins, which should not be lost in the water.
    My opinions and some justification

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    • #3
      Although I know too much iron is harmful to me, it never occurred to me that I might get too much if I start eating liver regularly. I normally associate getting too much of it with taking vitamin supplements, so that's a great point I hadn't considered. Thanks, Elliott!

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      • #4
        it's very difficult for pre-menopausal women to get too much iron from food since we lose so much each month.

        many women struggle with anemia so NEED to eat liver and other iron- and mineral rich animal foods to stay healthy. perhaps elliot is forgetting that?

        as for "kashering", salt generously. it's not an exact recipe. cooking may leach out a bit of the nutrition but it's such a powerhouse i don't worry about that.
        As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

        – Ernest Hemingway

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        • #5
          Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
          many women struggle with anemia so NEED to eat liver and other iron- and mineral rich animal foods to stay healthy. perhaps elliot is forgetting that?
          I don't agree that anemia implies iron deficiency
          My opinions and some justification

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          • #6
            Thanks for the salt tip, noodletoy. I had to take mine back out of the lemon juice/water soak to salt! lol

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Elliot View Post
              I don't agree that anemia implies iron deficiency
              it can be short for "iron-deficiency anemia", which is what i meant and something i have struggled with more than once.
              As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

              – Ernest Hemingway

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              • #8
                Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
                it can be short for "iron-deficiency anemia", which is what i meant and something i have struggled with more than once.
                I can't talk about your personal experience but I am skeptical that iron-deficiency anemia is common among premenopausal women. Iron can cure anemia, but I don't believe it's the only cure, nor do I believe it's usually the healthiest. Meanwhile, supplementing iron can be harmful. For example:
                Effects of routine prophylactic supplementation with ... [Lancet. 2006] - PubMed - NCBI
                The iron and folic acid-containing groups of the trial were stopped early on Aug 19, 2003, on the recommendation of the data and safety monitoring board. To this date, 24 076 children contributed a follow-up of 25,524 child-years. Those who received iron and folic acid with or without zinc were 12% (95% CI 2-23, p=0.02) more likely to die or need treatment in hospital for an adverse event and 11% (1-23%, p=0.03) more likely to be admitted to hospital; there were also 15% (-7 to 41, p=0.19) more deaths in these groups.
                Last edited by Elliot; 09-21-2014, 02:01 PM.
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                • #9
                  op is an adult female asking about liver. i am not talking about supplements OR children.

                  prolonged heavy menstrual periods and/or uterine fibroids can both cause ida. so can childbirth and so can unbalanced vegetarian diets.

                  those with crohn's or celiac often have trouble absorbing enough iron from the foods they can eat.

                  you're not a woman or a doctor so please stop trying to google me out of what happens to lots of women.
                  As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

                  – Ernest Hemingway

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                  • #10
                    I have iron deficiency anemia. But it's because I lose blood faster than I can make it. 3 transfusions in the past year, severe menorrhagia. I eat liver, doesn't make a dent. Doc wants me to supplement iron, but I can't digest it. Induces nausea and vomiting.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Elliot View Post
                      I can't talk about your personal experience but I am skeptical that iron-deficiency anemia is common among premenopausal women. Iron can cure anemia, but I don't believe it's the only cure, nor do I believe it's usually the healthiest. Meanwhile, supplementing iron can be harmful. For example:
                      Effects of routine prophylactic supplementation with ... [Lancet. 2006] - PubMed - NCBI
                      from your link:
                      In the presence of an active programme to detect and treat malaria and other infections, iron-deficient and anaemic children can benefit from supplementation. However, supplementation of those who are not iron deficient might be harmful.
                      As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

                      – Ernest Hemingway

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                      • #12
                        The part you quoted just looks like the authors trying to save face. The study found iron supplementation to be harmful.
                        My opinions and some justification

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                        • #13
                          oh, ffs. it's your link but now you're distancing yourself from what it says? the study found supplementation to be harmful only in non-anemic kids.

                          it's nearly impossible for women to get too much iron from food. stop the damn fear-mongering and misinformation. be happy somebody actually wants to eat liver. or does it not have enough sugar for your regimen?
                          As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

                          – Ernest Hemingway

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by noodletoy
                            the study found supplementation to be harmful only in non-anemic kids.
                            That's not suggested by the results. The comment in the "interpretations" section is not quantified. It sounds like the authors are just stating their opinions there because they want to salvage the idea that iron supplementation is good.
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                            • #15
                              since i don't have pubmed access you're welcome to make up whatever kind of inference and read between whatever imaginary lines you like. i have never heard it suggested that anybody but pre-menopausal women regularly supplement with iron.

                              again, we are not talking about supplements BUT REAL FOOD.
                              As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

                              – Ernest Hemingway

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