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    I like this site and the philosophy promoted, but there is one dietary restriction that I do not understand. That is the restriction on legumes. Beans are known to have been one of the 3 staples of most Native American tribes....beans, corn, and squash. These people lived in a stone age way eating and cultivating these foods long before the arrival of the Europeans. Two of the most basic food items to the Tarahumara in Mexico is corn (pinole), and beans. This is ancient tradition dating back many thousands of years. They are known to be some of the healthiest, long lived, and athletic people around. Beans are high in calories, low glycemic, and full of protein....so what gives?


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    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/beans-legumes-carbs/


    in general the primal blueprint goes back to pre agricultural foods, eaten by hunter gatherers ie more than 10,000 years ago.

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      I'm in the midst of "primalizing" my pantry and was just wondering whether I should get rid of all my beans. I found this bit that might be helpful:


      http://www.marksdailyapple.com/beans-legumes-carbs/

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        Lectins.......


        Why are they a problem now when they don't appear to have been a problem in the past. Could be 2 reasons. 1. cooking practices, traditional methods of preparing beans involved soaking, now they come in a can, who knows what how they got there. 2. Modern drugs, sterile environments, etc mess with the permeability and bio-activity of the gut. I also have a theory that it could be because of messed up Omega 6:3 ratio has our cells in a bad state to begin with so when these rouge proteins come along.....


        I have unsuccessfully been looking for data on which beans have the least concentration of lectins. Because I like them and would consider including some (more I already include some) when I want.

        It's grandma, but you can call me sir.

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          From a nutritional point of view, I restrict beans because they are full of carbohydrates. Low GI or high GI doesn't matter to me... it's still glucose.

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            Here's a link from WAPF.


            http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/cooking-legumes.html


            I like to think I'm primal but I still eat some legumes. I usually sprout them to remove the anti-nutrients and to enhance the vitamin profile and reduce the carb content. Lentils are amongst the easiest to sprout. Soak them in water for a couple of hours. Drain the water and roll them in a cheese cloth or 2-3 layers of paper/kitchen towel. Leave the bundle in a colander and sprinkle water every now and then to ensure they are not completely dried out and within 2 days, you'll have really long sprouts.

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              word of caution -- not all sprouted legumes can be eaten raw --- kidney bean eaten raw cause projectile vomiting!!! Some bean should be cooked even after sprouting.


              Maba, I have only ever seen lentils sprouted to very short sprouts -- are they good when they are long? Do they have to be cooked?

              It's grandma, but you can call me sir.

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                Well, lectins are in all foods. Certain one's can effect an allergic reaction in certain people...like peanuts. However, if one is not susceptible to that allergy then there is no problem. Eastern Native Americans certainly lived in the "caveman" way, and consumed lots of beans. As far as carbohydrates go as long as they are whole carbs and you are getting plenty of exercise they are not a problem. The Tarahumara certainly are not fat on a %50 corn diet. I am not trying to down the basic philosophy here...I like it. I just don't understand Mark's prohibition on beans. Yeah, soy is not cool, but banning beans because soy is a bean is like banning spinach because poison ivy is a leafy green plant.

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                  You asked, we answered.... now you know... do as you see fit.

                  It's grandma, but you can call me sir.

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                    No I don't think anyone explained why Mark has this prohibition...so it is not at all answered. All I heard was a few differing opinions about it.

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                      @Grandma, I should rephrase that to *long sprouts*, not *really long sprouts*. I always eat them cooked, use them mostly in stir fries. Yeah, they taste good. Infact if I let them sprout for longer than 36-48 hours, I start seeing green leaves


                      Kidneybeans should never be eaten raw nor slow cooked - they can be toxic:


                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow_cooker#Disadvantages

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                        From the horses mouth:


                        http://www.marksdailyapple.com/beans-legumes-carbs/

                        It's grandma, but you can call me sir.

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                          Legumes are not allowed because most cannot be eaten raw. Plus, why bother with foods that are notorious for causing GI distress?

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                            ATL, you keep mentioning American Inidan's diets. Their arrival into this hemisphere took place roughly as agriculture was starting in Asia.


                            Our diets did not evolve eating beans.


                            The aforementioned lectins are one big reason beans can be tough on the old GI. But having said that, everyone is different, YMMV.


                            During my weight loss phase, I am severely curtailing eating legumes because of the calories and carbs. I did have a cup of baby limas today at lunch. First time in a couple of months, I guess.

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                              The Native Americans have been here far longer than most people realize and science is always pushing back the date.


                              In speaking of their native diets, there are some groups that had a huge subsistence from what are called the Three Sisters. Pole beans, such as green beans, squash and corn. Those societies that did not supplement their this diet with other things, such as meat and fat, were subject to a higher rate of disease and malnutrition. It is thought that the Anasazi priests, who may have eaten mostly corn, experienced hallucinogenic episodes because of it.


                              http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/l...ter-gatherers/

                              Start weight: 250 - 06/2009
                              Current weight: 199
                              Goal: 145

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